Brand new, 2019 R1250GS “unsafe to drive” due to front Calliper leakage

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Cliffbase said:
Is it just me that finds it uncomfortable that the op has an issue on his new bike (that he hadn't noticed for the first 600 miles), says how good the dealer had been but has still felt the need to post about it & contact bmw customer services?

I understand the disappointment having just taken delivery of it, & I get that there was another chap there having issues too, but I personally don't see the need to start alarmist threads about these things.

From the pics I have seen, in my opinion, it looks like a slight seepage - yes I know its brake fluid & an essential part of the safety system, but the Op clearly hadn't noticed any difference in brake performance, or his fluid level. The dealer spotted it- as they should, what was the expectation? To say, keep an eye on it, it will be fine? Of course they are going to stop you riding it, they have a duty of care.

Yet another internet sensation - yawn.

Op, genuinely hope you get your pride & joy back soon, plus whatever it is you are asking for as a gesture of goodwill etc..
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I must admit I do agree with you as I do feel uncomfortable with the attention drawn. However, the post was to create awareness and also to see if any other riders had similar issues in order to establish how genuine is BMW customer service who declared no knowledge.
Now seeing the copy of the letter above gives you an idea of their ways. Furthermore, it only becomes a (not intended on my part) internet sensation (agree with yawn) because people do have an interest for whatever reason. You yourself felt the need to comment thus contributing to the sensation.
As for gesture of good will... their honesty would be enough and of course my bike back in good order

PS, if you don’t post you wouldn’t know or learn. I’m not the alarmist,the issue is alarming.


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The front brakes on the 1250 uses Hayes brakes I believe, originally bicycle brake manufacturers.
Why oh why to BMW insist on changes such as this, quite unbelieveable really as the rear brake is still Brembo.
 
Cliffbase said:
Is it just me that finds it uncomfortable that the op has an issue on his new bike (that he hadn't noticed for the first 600 miles), says how good the dealer had been but has still felt the need to post about it & contact bmw customer services?

I understand the disappointment having just taken delivery of it, & I get that there was another chap there having issues too, but I personally don't see the need to start alarmist threads about these things.

From the pics I have seen, in my opinion, it looks like a slight seepage - yes I know its brake fluid & an essential part of the safety system, but the Op clearly hadn't noticed any difference in brake performance, or his fluid level. The dealer spotted it- as they should, what was the expectation? To say, keep an eye on it, it will be fine? Of course they are going to stop you riding it, they have a duty of care.

Yet another internet sensation - yawn.

Op, genuinely hope you get your pride & joy back soon, plus whatever it is you are asking for as a gesture of goodwill etc..
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pbbanks said:
Totally agree -- whole thread is making a mountain out of a mole hill and a little bit of scaremongering. There was a drip of fluid at the bottom of the caliper. -- until it's established where it's from, and why, noone knows if it matters. Loose banjo bolt or washer\faulty(damaged) piston seal\porous casting ?? until the cause is known it's a none event.
Bit like a previous thread about "what is this pin?" -- it's was a flaming tyre valve -- and think it went for 3 or 4 pages of replies :-) . Not sure how many of the replies were serious, suspect (hope) not many :-)
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Bravo said:
I loved that thread,I nearly pissed myself laughing when I see the original post.
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From what I've heard you piss yourself regularly anyway Bravo :jager or was it get pissed regularly, getting old now i forget.

Ged
 
Osprio said:
I must admit I do agree with you as I do feel uncomfortable with the attention drawn. However, the post was to create awareness and also to see if any other riders had similar issues in order to establish how genuine is BMW customer service who declared no knowledge.
Now seeing the copy of the letter above gives you an idea of their ways. Furthermore, it only becomes a (not intended on my part) internet sensation (agree with yawn) because people do have an interest for whatever reason. You yourself felt the need to comment thus contributing to the sensation.
As for gesture of good will... their honesty would be enough and of course my bike back in good order

PS, if you don’t post you wouldn’t know or learn. I’m not the alarmist,the issue is alarming.


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a slight sleepage....you're either fucking pregnant or you are not. It's not right. End of
 
Osprio said:
I must admit I do agree with you as I do feel uncomfortable with the attention drawn. However, the post was to create awareness and also to see if any other riders had similar issues in order to establish how genuine is BMW customer service who declared no knowledge.
Now seeing the copy of the letter above gives you an idea of their ways. Furthermore, it only becomes a (not intended on my part) internet sensation (agree with yawn) because people do have an interest for whatever reason. You yourself felt the need to comment thus contributing to the sensation.
As for gesture of good will... their honesty would be enough and of course my bike back in good order

PS, if you don’t post you wouldn’t know or learn. I’m not the alarmist,the issue is alarming.


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You were right to draw attention to this and I don't see it as being alarmist or trying to create "yet another internet sensation". If it turns out to be a widespread problem and you save one person from coming to grief because of it, then job well done. I certainly gave mine a good looking at after reading the post.

Even if it isn't a widespread issue, it is still concerning that BMW knew of the problem, but have obviously failed to weed out and rectify all the affected bikes before they went to customers.
 
GSite said:
The front brakes on the 1250 uses Hayes brakes I believe, originally bicycle brake manufacturers.
Why oh why to BMW insist on changes such as this, quite unbelieveable really as the rear brake is still Brembo.
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The bike is made by BMW, I believe , originally aircraft engine manufacturers.
Why on why did they start making motorbikes, quite unbelievable really ....
 
Arsey said:
The bike is made by BMW, I believe , originally aircraft engine manufacturers.
Why on why did they start making motorbikes, quite unbelievable really ....
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You must not be an educated man ?

Ever heard of the Armistice of 11 November 1918?
Actually, I think it's a good thing that they did, as it turned into the building of some of the finest cars and bikes there is...
 
knutk said:
You must not be an educated man ?

Ever heard of the Armistice of 11 November 1918?
Actually, I think it's a good thing that they did, as it turned into the building of some of the finest cars and bikes there is...
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There are......

Is you also not educated ?
 
GSite said:
The front brakes on the 1250 uses Hayes brakes I believe, originally bicycle brake manufacturers.
Why oh why to BMW insist on changes such as this, quite unbelieveable really as the rear brake is still Brembo.
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Arsey said:
The bike is made by BMW, I believe , originally aircraft engine manufacturers.
Why on why did they start making motorbikes, quite unbelievable really ....
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I think it was the change of supplier by BMW that was seen as unbelievable - not necessarily the fact that Hayes diversified from bicycle brakes to motorcycle brakes, which I guess is somewhat comparable to BMW moving from aircraft to motorcycles.

However, the implication seems to be that the Hayes company product history should somehow preclude them from being chosen by BMW as acceptable motorcycle brake suppliers, a view which I don't think can be really justified.

Brembo apparently started out importing disc brakes from the UK to Italy, and first supplied Alfa Romeo for cars, but that did not disqualify them from branching out into the motorcycle market.
 
fred_jb said:
I think it was the change of supplier by BMW that was seen as unbelievable - not necessarily the fact that Hayes diversified from bicycle brakes to motorcycle brakes, which I guess is somewhat comparable to BMW moving from aircraft to motorcycles.

However, the implication seems to be that the Hayes company product history should somehow preclude them from being chosen by BMW as acceptable motorcycle brake suppliers, a view which I don't think can be really justified.

Brembo apparently started out importing disc brakes from the UK to Italy, and first supplied Alfa Romeo for cars, but that did not disqualify them from branching out into the motorcycle market.
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I own a Car Branded the best 4WD in the world, it isn't , what is all the fuss about brand for ? I think the 1250 brakes are very good and at this early stage feel better than the Brembos! My top branded car has had many issues , doesn't make me want to not own , even after having to change from Brembo supplied disc and pads to a cheaper brand to solve a problem.
 
fred_jb said:
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Brembo apparently started out importing disc brakes from the UK to Italy, and first supplied Alfa Romeo for cars, but that did not disqualify them from branching out into the motorcycle market.
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And Ohlins started his career building exhaust pipes...
 
Toyota started making sewing machines Yamaha make musical instruments Honda came from nowhere. JJH
 
Osprio said:
Just to be clear, Dealer service deemed the bike ‘unsafe to drive’ and were pretty clear they want it kept . So call it leak, just a drop, seepage or whatever, it was UNSAFE.


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Yeah, but get the blinkers on, and this isn’t a major problem ;)
 
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