Dilemma
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Be in no doubt that the 1200wc is without doubt the finest gs ever built.
Steve
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Having ridden a LC for a fair few prolonged days on both motorway, 'A' roads and twisties, I can confirm that the above post is complete bollocks
What are you basing your 'findings' on.... a two hour test ride maybe
Edit, Nutty beat me to it
Absolutely boss, and after 2 hours I was glad to give it back and ride my old pony which is less highly strung. The new bike is snatchy and definately happier in hoon mode, but for plodding around, it's too highly strung for my bones. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just passing on my opinion. The old 1200 is made out to be a wheezy old plodder, it is far from it. It will happily cruise at a ton all day, the 1150 cruises at 85 happily which is as fast as I need. I have avoided moving to a 1200 as I would lose my license very quickly, the WC is a step further.
Lots of shit riders riding bikes that are way quicker than they will ever need for anything more than bragging rights in the pub as to who's got the fastest bike. An older 1200 is all the bike most riders will ever need, but the allure of more power always drags in the numpties.
Oh, and don't forget the loud pipe, carbon wrap and rim tape, ffs, that says it all!
LC riders only ever parp on about how fast the new bike is, like that is the b all and end all of what a bike should be. They should take an old 250 stroker out it may help them realise that speed is only a small part of the equation.
My old 1150 has done a 780 mile day, followed by a 1000 miler the following day (non motorway). At no point did it feel tiring and but for getting to where I needed I'd have gone further. My bro did Carne to Almeria (south Spain) in one hit on a 1200adv, just can't see the new bike being as relaxed with the twitchy throttle and constant egging on to go faster.
So this long journey you mention, was it done within this short 2 hour test ride?
It isn't the throttle that's twitchy.... a touch of tourettes maybe
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So this long journey you mention, was it done within this short 2 hour test ride?
I did about 135 miles Paul, tried all the modes (only found one that felt almost natural), my arse was sore, my back was aching and I was knackered due to travelling a bit quicker than I would on the old girl (albeit that the bike was more comfortable at that speed). Obviously those that own the bike like it, I'm not saying they're wrong, merely pointing out that it doesn't suit me. The older 1200 however I find comfortable, easy to ride at a decent pace without being goaded into sportsbike territory. It doesn't hurt my back and I prefer it's more natural throttle feel and smoother power delivery.
The OP will no doubt appreciate the initial buzz of more power, but on a day to day basis, some may prefer something else.
I've ridden hundreds of bikes Paul, speed no longer impresses me. A WC is quick for a GS, but it's a snail compared to a quick bike. Imho the electrics are poorly executed and the illusion of power is enhanced by the snatchy throttle. It seems more eager, but in the real world the difference isn't as great as it's made out to be. A modern 600 sportsbike produces more horsepower!
oh dear So you've been knocking the new 1200 for the past 6 months because it doesn't suit you..... why do you feel the need to keep knocking it
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How was the bike 'goading you' to ride faster than you normally do? I have tinkered with the seat settings and find it pretty comfortable and the cruise control is just the trick on any long stretches. I find it just as comfortable as the VFR I had back in the nineties and that is with my middle aged bones. No bike is perfectly comfortable just take a few breaks during the journey and enjoy.
I don't understanyou point. I loved the 1150 and 1200 gs within less time, same goes for the 1150rt, 650 dakar, r80gs. I've had plenty of fun on lots of others, but knew that they weren't the ones for me. It may take you longer, but I can evaluate a vehicle pretty quickly. You obviously don't agree with me , but my brother and a few other friends who have ridden the bike have said very similar things about the bike.
There are lots of people who will love the bike, each to their own. Some of us aren't so far up bm's bum that we get given a bike for a month or more to test ride
My point was simply pointing out that you did 135 miles in a two hour test ride but claim speed no longer impresses you
There you go again, making assumptions and confusing the facts with reality.... Some of us aren't so far up bm's bum that we get given a bike for a month or more to test ride
Done almost 11,000 miles on my basic WC since March 2nd and wouldn't swap it for any other bike - I put about 45,000 miles on my first (2005) 1200G2 and about 27,000 on my 2010 twin-cam 1200GS BUT this one is the best so far, it does everything the previous models did but better in every way - can't really say more than that.
Cool, you like it, I don't. The engine is rev happy and spins up quickly. Great in hoon mode, but one small twitch of the throttle and off she goes. Enduro mode gave a far nicer throttle response and I found it much easier to hold a constant speed, but I have a heavy right hand and it is too easy to find yourself in ban territory on the WC. If you are speed orientated, this is great stuff, but I also managed 32mpg out of it, so speed has it's price! I know this is down to self control, but what's the point of having it ifyou don't use it? Imho it is highly strung for what should be an adventure bike. An adventure bike should be simple, tough, economical and easy to ride. As a relaxed sportsbike it's great, but as an adventure bike it sucks. Just my opinion which you can choose to ignore.
As your opinion is based on a two hour encounter, I'm sure most will be doing just that
My point was simply pointing out that you did 135 miles in a two hour test ride but claim speed no longer impresses you
Sorry, speed hasn't impressed me for a long time Paul. My point is that I no longer want a fast bike, so all this talk of wheezy old models to me is just chest puffing bollocks. We all know Mutley would fuck off into the distance on his 1150 with knobblies on (and he'd be behind vern on the 1100). If you want one, go and buy one. If I do change it'll be for an early pre traction, non esa 1200adv as that's all I need, or possibly something non bm. Assuming that everyone will think the new bike is the dogs bollocks is assuming that everyone wants the same charateristics in the bike as you. Is the LC the most hoony GS? Absolutely, is it the best GS? It depends what you want from your bike. Personally of all the GSs I've owned/ridden, the 650 dakar was probably the best best and most GS.
As your opinion is based on a two hour encounter, I'm sure most will be doing just that
So your opinion is more valid to me than my own? Who the fuck are you Sadam? How to make yourself sound like an arrogant prick!
My point was simply pointing out that you did 135 miles in a two hour test ride but claim speed no longer impresses you
And there lies the irony..... 135 miles in two hours equates to an average of 68mph, so for every minute you were at a junction/traffic light etc, you had to do 135mph for the next minute. Hardly the actions of someone who claims speed no longer impresses him
What a strange supposition to make and followed up by personal insults.... there's only one here making himself look a prick
And there lies the irony..... 135 miles in two hours equates to an average of 68mph, so for every minute you were at a junction/traffic light etc, you had to do 135mph for the next minute. Hardly the actions of someone who claims speed no longer impresses him
Straight out of town, into the countryside so little town work. A stint down the motorway at a steady cruise
for the last 1/2 hour. I may have been out for a while longer than 2 hours, so don't be too anal about the ave speed. I rarely ride below the speed limits even on the 1150. I can travel at speed, it doesn't mean it impresses me. Kept hearing about how fast the bike is, and for a gs it is. It handles well, but it isn't perfect. On an earlier 1200 I could do the route just as quickly and on the 1150 I'd have been within 5 minutes of the LC. It's my opinion of the bike Paul, obviously you liked it, good for you. The OP asked for the opinions of those who'd ridden both, and I expressed it. If this is now a critisism free zone then give me my ban back from the section and we can all have a laugh about it in the pub. Given the choice, I'd have the older 1200 without traction control or esa.
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