Electrical question

[Jako999]

Hi all, well my new bike is still just sitting there in the garage waiting for the weather to pick up a bit. So I decided to do a few bits and bobs to it. When I get anything new car or bike I fit a relay controlled by a remote fob that cuts a crucial cable like a fuel pump, no fuel it won’t start= I may get to keep it a bit longer before some git steals it, is relatively easy and cheap to do.
I’ve had a look around and it’s not easy to see where the cables are going? Does anyone know of a good cable on a 1300GS 2025 and may be where to find it and the colour please.

Also what alarms are people fitting?

Thanks all.

 

[pbbanks]

Hi all, well my new bike is still just sitting there in the garage waiting for the weather to pick up a bit. So I decided to do a few bits and bobs to it. When I get anything new car or bike I fit a relay controlled by a remote fob that cuts a crucial cable like a fuel pump, no fuel it won’t start= I may get to keep it a bit longer before some git steals it, is relatively easy and cheap to do.
I’ve had a look around and it’s not easy to see where the cables are going? Does anyone know of a good cable on a 1300GS 2025 and may be where to find it and the colour please.

Also what alarms are people fitting?

Thanks all.

They have an immobiliser as standard so not quite sure what a relay cutting power to something can improve on that.
Think thieves usually break steering locks and push it the bike away or put it in the back if a van rather than starting them.
You'd also have to be careful anything you added couldn't accidently cut out the engine whilst you were riding & cause a crash.
There are two main fuses behind the tank if you wanted to explore your theory .

 

[JoeBiff]

Strange ask on an open forum?
Just sayin’ like.

 

[The smudger]

If you start cutting into wiring you will invalidate your warranty. Also potentially your insurance as you are changing the spec from manufacturers. My advice would be to leave electrics alone on a modern machine like this!

 

[DJ123]

Alarms? When was the last time anyone cared if a house alarm of car alarm was going off?

If you want some peace of mind, get a good tracker installed.

 

[botus]

deliberate theft that the manufacturer encourages by fitting keyless junk, is now being addressed using "component theft protection" - of course its all marketing BS and its really an excuse to make working on your bike more complex / impossible - and vehicle theft that the UK government facilitate, allowing unrestricted exports to Lithuania will continue with abandon

but in between you are stuck with a bike that's now a nuisance, and the Lithuanian profiteering will have to drop a bit as some stuff will need to go in a skip - or on hold whilst they get an IT guy to find a special insecure api so they can reach the tokens


Tech changes from 2025

Manufacturers are keen to prevent any unauthorised modifications. With secure gateway access, only authorised individuals or technicians are granted the ability to make changes to the vehicle's software or configurations. This measure aids in preventing unauthorised modifications that could lead to malfunctions, performance issues, or potential safety risks.


vehicle theft and fitting of used parts on other vehicles
on the theft side - in car entertainment idrive headunits for the last 4 years are now programmed to self destruct if you try to fit on other vehicles - What's new - Cross-exchange and component theft protection

With the introduction of the I20 and the following models, component theft protection was introduced.
This is achieved by coupling the components to the vehicle's central control unit.
The following components are currently combined: Gear selector, iDrive controller, BZM, the head unit, airbag unit and radar sensor.
If one or more of the protected components is replaced, the connection with the central control unit must be reinitialised.
This is done with the help of Secure Tokens.
The necessary tokens are provided by the BMW backend system when the replaced component is a new part.
Components that have been removed from other vehicles (cross-exchange) do not generate a token.

 

[botus]

Alarms? When was the last time anyone cared if a house alarm of car alarm was going off?

If you want some peace of mind, get a good tracker installed.

did you watch the rather gory three programme accident investigation unit finding's on Ch5 in October - you may wish to remove your tracker immediately - the modern ones do not just track its parked location - it provides not just the speed and exact time of use - but even the specific line you are taking through every bend for the preceeding 30 minutes

a silly grandad in a Toyota pulled out knocking off a biker....
the police decided as the biker basically lost a leg they would not prosecute him - but they had him with his mates racing around - at times doing something like 120mph for 5 miles just before the incident - as he entered a built up area, he came in at about 85 and as is the norm most 60 limits are now bastardised into something silly... at the time of the hit he was doing 55mph and “luckily” glanced of the side and was thrown up the road summersaulting into a wall

sure he was doing what most men do - getting on with it - and he failed to slow enough in a built up area and lets say was 50% at blame for the crash - had he been doing 45 in the 30 limit (that should still be a 60) he would have missed the car

however it doesn't give sleepy grandad the right to recklessly pull out without looking and get away with it – the best bit, the police in not prosecuting the silly fool that caused it claimed he was on his side of the road….
Err NO – he was 100% across the path of the bike when it mattered – the biker tried to react got a wobble on, ran wide towards the middle of the road and hit the side / rear wheel of the Toyota - when he hit it the back of the car was two foot on the bikers side – sure after the hit the Toyota was now at an angle on his side….

Without the tracker the story would be different - the fact it picks you up in a safe place, riding sensibly - but the numbers are above a silly value - gives plod the ammunition to go to tea early and fail to do their job - get your tracker and smash it up ASAP – or you and your partner will be worse off

 

[DJ123]

did you watch the rather gory three programme accident investigation unit finding on Ch5 in October - you may wish to remove your tracker immediately - the modern ones do not just track its parked location - it provides not just the speed and exact time of use - but even the specific line you are taking through every bend for the preceeding 30 minutes

a silly grandad in a Toyota pulled out knocking off a biker....
the police decided as the biker basically lost a leg they would not prosecute him - but they had him with his mates racing around - at times doing something like 120mph for 5 miles just before the incident - as he entered a built up area he came in at about 85 and as is the norm most 60 limits are now bastardised into something silly... he was at the time of the hit doing 55mph and “luckily” glanced of the side and was thrown up the road summersaulting in to a wall
sure he was doing what most men do - getting on with it - and he failed to slow enough in a built up area and lets say was 50% at blame for the crash - had he been doing 45 in the 30 limit he would have missed the car
however it doesn't give sleepy grandad the right to recklessly pull out without looking – the best bit the police in not prosecuting the silly fool that caused it claimed he was on his side of the road….
Err NO – he was 100% across the path of the bike when it mattered – the bike tried to react got a wobble on ran wide towards the middle of the road and hit the side / rear wheel of the Toyota - that had the back of the car two foot on the bikers side – sure after the hit the Toyota was now at an angel on his side….

Without the tracker the story would be different

And you don't think all the ECU's on your Bike already record that data? Speed, throttle position, gear position, braking, steering angle.......

One story doesn't tell it all.

Put your foil hat back on.

 

[botus]

And you don't think all the ECU's on your Bike already record that data? Speed, throttle position, gear position, braking, steering angle.......

One story doesn't tell it all.

Put your foil hat back on.

it was a modern bike - it was ONLY the after market tracker that provided ALL the data used in the police findings
one of the other programmes was a Drug driver in a Japanese car that killed someone - it follows the worldwide attempts by the police to get at this manufacture data - they were unable to access it !

 

[Flappytabs]

it was ONLY the after market tracker that provided ALL the data used in the police findings

it may be the only data they admitted to using on the programme. Both my GS's recorded everything and pushed it out to an app which was totally unrelated to the tracker.

Simple fact is, if you are riding above the speed limit you are not complying with the laws laid down to make the roads safe. Yes we all do it but shouldnt be too surprised/annoyed if we get found out as a result of an investigation into a serious accident.

 

[MrC99]

did you watch the rather gory three programme accident investigation unit finding's on Ch5 in October - you may wish to remove your tracker immediately - the modern ones do not just track its parked location - it provides not just the speed and exact time of use - but even the specific line you are taking through every bend for the preceeding 30 minutes

a silly grandad in a Toyota pulled out knocking off a biker....
the police decided as the biker basically lost a leg they would not prosecute him - but they had him with his mates racing around - at times doing something like 120mph for 5 miles just before the incident - as he entered a built up area, he came in at about 85 and as is the norm most 60 limits are now bastardised into something silly... at the time of the hit he was doing 55mph and “luckily” glanced of the side and was thrown up the road summersaulting into a wall

sure he was doing what most men do - getting on with it - and he failed to slow enough in a built up area and lets say was 50% at blame for the crash - had he been doing 45 in the 30 limit (that should still be a 60) he would have missed the car

however it doesn't give sleepy grandad the right to recklessly pull out without looking and get away with it – the best bit, the police in not prosecuting the silly fool that caused it claimed he was on his side of the road….
Err NO – he was 100% across the path of the bike when it mattered – the biker tried to react got a wobble on, ran wide towards the middle of the road and hit the side / rear wheel of the Toyota - when he hit it the back of the car was two foot on the bikers side – sure after the hit the Toyota was now at an angle on his side….

Without the tracker the story would be different - the fact it picks you up in a safe place, riding sensibly - but the numbers are above a silly value - gives plod the ammunition to go to tea early and fail to do their job - get your tracker and smash it up ASAP – or you and your partner will be worse off

So the biker was riding like a c**t, was a contributory cause to an accident, got themselves injured, getting us all a bad name and got found out. And (somewhere in that rambling post) you're complaining and taking the biking twats side ?

 

[IrishGaucho]

As other said above, I wouldn't be messing around with the CAN Bus, specially not on the 1300 which would have you landing at the dealers doorstep if anything goes wrong and if they decide to turn their back on it, you're done. ECU is currently very much locked.

Trust the inmobolizer, get a factory alarm if you don't have it already. Use additional protection like chains, disco locks, etc... yes, they're all breakable but it's always a bit of a deterrent.

 

[Jako999]

Well thanks may be I’ll just leave it alone. I just like to do as much as I can to try and keep my things and for the sake of £20 it stopped someone taking my wife’s new Audi RS as the police couldn’t care less they just give you a crime number for the insurance.
What I really want to do is just get out on it, I don’t even know if I’ve bought the right bike yet I still think it may be too big.
Thanks all.

 

[boatman]

“ coming into a built up area at 85 mph “ - - that was never going to end well ! Play silly games = win silly prizes
That Charles Darwin ,,, knew a thing or two

 

[Udders]

I know range rovers even record things like how long a tail gate was opened for.
This was used as part of the evidence in a local murder case a few years back. They record distance, speed, door open times etc….

 

[Hann]

Can you give a link to these remote relays that you use please, they sound useful.

 

[botus]

“ coming into a built up area at 85 mph “ - - that was never going to end well ! Play silly games = win silly prizes
That Charles Darwin ,,, knew a thing or two

watch the episode yourselves

as I recollect it, he was riding in the middle of nowhere then came into a quiet bit of what should be a 60 limit (with bike going round a long left bend, that in the old days he probably did at 90) and at a massive entrance to a dead garden centre with loads of sight line - an old fool pull straight out on him

as he stood on the brakes it straightened up running toward the centre of the road - and no doubt fixated by the crash he knew was happening hit the car that was on his side of the road - the impact forced the Toyota back on to his side and it came to a rest 45 degrees pointing at the lane the bike had been on

the point about the tracker - without that info we'd have a guy doing 55 in what should still be a 60 and a fool pulled out - but the tracker threw logic in a skip

third programme was a moron doing 60 in a 30, parked cars either side of the road and a silly girl headphones on - staring at her screen, with no effort to check, popped out in front of him from a place with about 2 metres between cars - leaving him less than 20 meters to react - he didn't she paid the price - yes he was going too fast and was an idiot - but she 100% caused it, if she had bothered to think about her safety he'd not have gone to jail even if he'd been doing 90

 

[Flappytabs]

but she 100% caused it, if she had bothered to think about her safety he'd not have gone to jail even if he'd been doing 90

Not sure I agree.
A large proportion of blame sits with her for failing to properly check, but what if she saw the car coming but knowing its a 30 limit thought she had time to get out safely?

we all make mistakes, I guess we have all misjudged a manouvre and probably got away with it (I certainly have) but there really is no excuse (in the eyes of the law) for breaking the speed limit.

 

[botus]

I forgot she walked out from behind a van....

really horrible programmes - BBC had done something similar, but this was more hands on. The girl they showed it all captured from residential CCTV footage - after watching 3 in a row it was all a bit much

 

[Slipperyeel]

it may be the only data they admitted to using on the programme. Both my GS's recorded everything and pushed it out to an app which was totally unrelated to the tracker.

Simple fact is, if you are riding above the speed limit you are not complying with the laws laid down to make the roads safe. Yes we all do it but shouldnt be too surprised/annoyed if we get found out as a result of an investigation into a serious accident.

So you're all good with a blanket 20mph? Obviously you don't live in London.
The 'speed limit is for our safety' argument is bx.