Hilltop = fuelstop

[LBL]

Indeed.....no denying that at all......it COULD be that our beloved OP was unconsciouisly enjoying the new power and lease of life breathed into his remapped bike that he increased the consumption by using all of the power a lot more of the time than usual......I wasn't going to suggest that to him as it is subjective and probably contentious.

My reason for raising the 'objection' was only based on fairness......I'd nearly always prefer to speak to the person who potentially caused a problem before going public with it, so they had the chance to resolve any issues

Beloved...ah shocks thanks Bill, i am a firm believer that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and from all of my many posts on here i dont get involved in silly nonsense so if some think ive done things wrong thats fine, its all good with me.

In my other Hilltop post i was full of praise for Geoff and how he fitted me in on short notice and just thought i would update peeps as i know lots of people are spending lots of money getting their bikes remapped and just thought i would update, i did try to call geoff a couple of times today but to no avail.

I fully intended to again post how things went afterwards in fairness to all concerned and will do.

The route i took to the Ardennes i have done maybe 100 times ( not all on this bike ) and rode actually slower than normal as i had another guy with me who doesnt know the roads as i do, now i would expect a slight drop in fuel after the remap but 10mpg is a bit more than expected, even so the surging thats remained and that is a big disappointed.

footy is just about to start

 

[Fanum]

At the risk of being slagged off for saying anything negative at all,I took my K1200s (now sold ) to Hilltop some time ago as I'd read how good the remaps are.The Bike was chugging when travelling at slow speeds,around towns and in traffic it was awful so I thought,get it sorted !
At the cost of £360,if my memory serves me well,I came away with a bike that was just the same as when it went in !!
So,fire away at me Chaps,I'm not doing anything to my GSA to upset the applecart !

I doubt anyone would slag you off for reporting the facts as you saw them, but what did Hilltop say when you told them?

Like Tricky, I'm also seeing a remap in my future, so I'm also very interested

 

[karlp]

if you want more power and more torque you've got to except you'll use more juice

Not necessarily.

If the fuel to air ratio is high then it will be running rich and not at its optimum.

But generally I agree

 

[degsey]

if you fill in a dip in performance, (like Ive seen on some of the maps that have been posted) by smoothing it out, you've got to fill the dip with something usually fuel and air, so by default you use more

Not necessarily.

If the fuel to air ratio is high then it will be running rich and not at its optimum.

But generally I agree

 

[sagalout]

if you fill in a dip in performance, (like Ive seen on some of the maps that have been posted) by smoothing it out, you've got to fill the dip with something usually fuel and air, so by default you use more

This. I had mine mapped at the weekend (local dyno and power commander). The guy doing it said it was really leaning out between 4 and 6k so he had to chuck a load more fuel in to smooth it out.

I'm pleased with the result (at £130). It doesn't transform the bike, but it's a subtle improvement. I have no doubt my fuel consumption will go up as I spent a lot of time in that range!

 

[Toothless]

Our Belgian Ardennes....they do get your right wrist, in a twist...
Unwind it with some local heavy beer!
Looking forward to the outcome of this thread.

 

[Rederic]

Interesting thread this, I am there friday getting mine done,and this is the first negative post I have seen

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

If the trip mileage was on mainly motorways with panniers and top box on traveling at high speed the bike will use a fair amount more fuel than usual the GS bikes are about as aerodynamic as a brick when fully dressed.

 

[batman1]

I just want to know how you were getting 330 miles to the tank in the first place....I'm presuming that it is a GS that we are talking about and not a GSA?

 

[Bendy toy]

My GSA scraped 330 doing mostly motorways but a LOT less on short runs & A roads.

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

I just want to know how you were getting 330 miles to the tank in the first place....I'm presuming that it is a GS that we are talking about and not a GSA?

I think its a GSA

 

[L'Escargot]

I doubt anyone would slag you off for reporting the facts as you saw them, but what did Hilltop say when you told them?

Like Tricky, I'm also seeing a remap in my future, so I'm also very interested

Fanum,I can see that you are a massive contributor to the site and no doubt widely experienced with the Bikes we know and love (?) So,I have to ask you and of all owners on here,WHY buy a feckin great lump of twin cylinder dual purpose machinery,with sit up and beg handlebars,a screen that most people are unhappy with and a seat that many are not comfortable on,then take it and chuck over £300 at it to make it smoother/faster or whatever ??
There are many bikes out there that fulfil that criteria,you surely can't turn a GS/GSA into a sports bike can you ? Why not spend your money on a weekend away,treat yourself to a comfy seat,buy a better screen or whatever ?
Is Hilltop the only place in the whole of the country who does the Remaps ? It seems so as a lot of people seem to travel a long way to get it done !
If it is so brilliant,why has no other Garage/Mechanic jumped on the band wagon to earn himself over £300 an hour !!!!!
I'm sorry folks but my bike is staying as intended,big,ugly and loved just as it is.And,I hasten to add my third GSA,2009,2011 and now 2014,all without a remap.
By the way,I returned to Hilltop the same day and explained that the bike was no different at the low end but although I cannot recall the exact conversation,I was left in no doubt that nothing could be done about that !!
So,each to their own I suppose,a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do.

 

[Blackal]

Fanum,I can see that you are a massive contributor to the site and no doubt widely experienced with the Bikes we know and love (?) So,I have to ask you and of all owners on here,WHY buy a feckin great lump of twin cylinder dual purpose machinery,with sit up and beg handlebars,a screen that most people are unhappy with and a seat that many are not comfortable on,then take it and chuck over £300 at it to make it smoother/faster or whatever ??
There are many bikes out there that fulfil that criteria,you surely can't turn a GS/GSA into a sports bike can you ? Why not spend your money on a weekend away,treat yourself to a comfy seat,buy a better screen or whatever ?
Is Hilltop the only place in the whole of the country who does the Remaps ? It seems so as a lot of people seem to travel a long way to get it done !
If it is so brilliant,why has no other Garage/Mechanic jumped on the band wagon to earn himself over £300 an hour !!!!!
I'm sorry folks but my bike is staying as intended,big,ugly and loved just as it is.And,I hasten to add my third GSA,2009,2011 and now 2014,all without a remap.
By the way,I returned to Hilltop the same day and explained that the bike was no different at the low end but although I cannot recall the exact conversation,I was left in no doubt that nothing could be done about that !!
So,each to their own I suppose,a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do.

Because the perceived benefits outweigh the detriments?

You could buy a Multi-cyl bike, and spend how much getting more engine-braking? (if that is important to you)

You could buy a Versys/KTM/Multistrad etc and spend how much - converting the front suspension to Telelever? (if that is important to you)

For a lot of people, the GS fits most of their criteria, but can be bettered (and possibly made more reliable with a healthier A/F ratio) - with a £360 modification.

JHP Racing (at Ducati Coventry) also does remapping (using Rexxer process) which may be cheaper. As far as I am aware - there could be some anomalies with this process regarding dealer work.

Al

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Because the perceived benefits outweigh the detriments?

You could buy a Multi-cyl bike, and spend how much getting more engine-braking? (if that is important to you)

You could buy a Versys/KTM/Multistrad etc and spend how much - converting the front suspension to Telelever? (if that is important to you)

For a lot of people, the GS fits most of their criteria, but can be bettered (and possibly made more reliable with a healthier A/F ratio) - with a £360 modification.

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Exactly

Also, it's NOT about making the bike faster. It's about improving the fuelling.

Most modern bike run very lean to satisfy emissions regs. R1200's for example DO drop/burn out valves as a result. A re-map sets the optimum fuelling for the engine without the handicap of meeting emmisions standards. The upsdie of this is a smoother engine, less or no surging and improved pick-up; all stuff that contributes to a nicer bike to ride.

I've had my 1190 done and that certainly wasn't about making more power, the thing is ballistic enough as it is. I had no issues with the standard throttle response and took a while to convince myself it was worth doing but was glad I did. The throttle response has improved yet further, it pulls better meaning I have more choice of gears to use and the pick up when hooning out of a bend is even more instantaneous. I also now have no worries over a lean running engine.

At the end of the day most of us seem happy to spend £100's on useless bling and anything north of £500 on a can so is the cost of a re-map really that expensive, especially for something that actually makes the bike nicer to ride?

Andres

 

[MrFell]

Exactly

Also, it's NOT about making the bike faster. It's about improving the fuelling.

Most modern bike run very lean to satisfy emissions regs. R1200's for example DO drop/burn out valves as a result. A re-map sets the optimum fuelling for the engine without the handicap of meeting emmisions standards. The upsdie of this is a smoother engine, less or no surging and improved pick-up; all stuff that contributes to a nicer bike to ride.

I've had my 1190 done and that certainly wasn't about making more power, the thing is ballistic enough as it is. I had no issues with the standard throttle response and took a while to convince myself it was worth doing but was glad I did. The throttle response has improved yet further, it pulls better meaning I have more choice of gears to use and the pick up when hooning out of a bend is even more instantaneous. I also now have no worries over a lean running engine.

At the end of the day most of us seem happy to spend £100's on useless bling and anything north of £500 on a can so is the cost of a re-map really that expensive, especially for something that actually makes the bike nicer to ride?

Andres

All what he said ^^^

My firmware update has massively improved, but not completely cured low speed fueling. There are still the occasional surges, but no where near as bad as pre-update.
Mid range pick up / grunt is where the smiles are and YES this is where the MPG will be an issue. Sooo addictive, especially hard on the throttle out of 2nd gear corners..
However, whilst carrying a pillion the extra grunt improves overtaking and/or relaxed riding in top gear.
To quote Mr Rossi "i am very 'appy"

 

[LBL]

OK all by way of an update and trying not to upset anyone

I had a long conversation with Geoff today whilst he had all of my info at hand and im taking the bike back in at my leisure so he can relook at the mapping, as mine was running so lean he had put a 2 hour burn built in which may have burned out my plugs hence the surging still.

I will update once its been in but it may not be for a few weeks as its got no wheels on at the mo ready for new boots this weekend

Sounds like he already new anyway as if someone had called him today before me and spoke of my issues

 

[batman1]

Perhaps this is the correct approach and maybe the one that you should have made in the first place.

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

.................... as mine was running so lean he had put a 2 hour burn built in which may have burned out my plugs hence the surging still.

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Sorry, I assume you mean the Lamda's may be burnt out but still don't understand what you mean there?

Andres

 

[LBL]

Sorry, I assume you mean the Lamda's may be burnt out but still don't understand what you mean there?

Andres

Those were the exact words used, i will report back once ive been there, he definitely said plugs Andres ?

 

[LBL]

Perhaps this is the correct approach and maybe the one that you should have made in the first place.

Sorry that i chose to do this the way i thought best and it wasn't to your liking