Is this normal !
- Thread starter DING-DONG
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Persoanlly I've not seen Ding-Dong bitch and whineWhat I see is somebody who really likes what is essentially a very good bike and is frustrated by knowing that his bike could and should be a lot better. He strikes me as being measured, persistant and determined to get what he ultimatly wants. What's wrong with that?
Whereas your ill-informed coomments re, for example but not exclusivley, KTM's 1190 come across very much as bitchy and whingey.
Andres
To give you the benefit of the doubt , I re-read this thread from the beginning.
and , hell yeah , He's a whiner.
and I'll offer an explanation as to why he's a whiner :
he thinks his bike is a piece of crap.
he goes into minute detail here about HOW he thinks that his bike is crap.
he details ,with full and better particulars , all his struggles with big bad BMW.
he is adamant that his bike is rubbish , and that people who think that its fine is a troll.
when he is proferred advice that in that case , since he is so sure that his bike is crap , to get it assessed independently by an expert and sue his dealer (since he has no contract with BMW , but has one with his selling dealer) ... silence.
so , yeah , he's a whiner.
carry on.
he thinks his bike is a piece of crap.
he goes into minute detail here about HOW he thinks that his bike is crap.
he details ,with full and better particulars , all his struggles with big bad BMW.
he is adamant that his bike is rubbish , and that people who think that its fine is a troll.
when he is proferred advice that in that case , since he is so sure that his bike is crap , to get it assessed independently by an expert and sue his dealer (since he has no contract with BMW , but has one with his selling dealer) ... silence.
so , yeah , he's a whiner.
carry on.
Independent expert advice is needed, so why not go and get it?
I can't recall stating the bike is a piece of crap or was i adamant the bike is crap, i stated the gearbox/clutch is the problem but not the bike in general and that my friend is the total opposite to what your suggesting and if you take the time to digest it all you will see i actually like the gs a lot and I'm loathed to part with it.
My preferred method would be as stated previously, get them to fix it or attempt to fix it, however if i went via your idea to SUE the dealer, at that point all doors close, rather silly idea really especially when the so called dealer has today offered to BUY the bike back CASH, I'm sure not many would do that.
So maybe your on the BMW PAYROLL and to diss my thread would be in ones favour so may explain your non contributing remarks.
However pistole, i take no offence your welcome to call me a whinging cuntard, I've been called worse my friend.
Don't make me laugh MCN is nothing but one big advert for BM, just take a look at this week's issue. Ever since a certain journo had the temerity to criticise the handling of a BM bike Bauer have been so far up BMs arse its embarrassing.
BTY good luck with your claim.
Georgeeboi
Registered user
Maybe cut your losses ding and take the offer of the buy back! Move on to another brand.
How much would it cost to get an independent expert opinion?
Elvisto
Graham
That's really good news Ding, I'm very pleased for you,
What I don't understand is, all the parts that go to make up a bike, or an engine / gearbox, Have a +/- tolerance , Some parts must be slipping thro the net, For instance ,lets say the clutch plates are + or - 4 thou , and you, and a few others get 10 clutch plates that are + 4 thou, thats 40 thou(I was always good at maths
) Maybe the clutch basket is not able to take the extra thickness ,
BMW have had problem bikes right from the /5 1970 bikes, nothings changed really, apart from now we have the internet and these bikes are all the news when they go wrong,
I'd just like to say I had one of the first water cooled bikes, and I loved it, had one or two replacement parts,but never had a problem with the clutch or gearbox, I did 10,000 miles in the first 11 months and sold it , not because I didn't like it, just because I fancied another bike, as we do,
I'll always own a BMW, I had my first one in 1963, But if i'd had the problems some of you guys have had, i'd have walked away, life's to short mate,
Good luck with whatever you choose next,
Graham
What I don't understand is, all the parts that go to make up a bike, or an engine / gearbox, Have a +/- tolerance , Some parts must be slipping thro the net, For instance ,lets say the clutch plates are + or - 4 thou , and you, and a few others get 10 clutch plates that are + 4 thou, thats 40 thou(I was always good at maths
) Maybe the clutch basket is not able to take the extra thickness ,BMW have had problem bikes right from the /5 1970 bikes, nothings changed really, apart from now we have the internet and these bikes are all the news when they go wrong,
I'd just like to say I had one of the first water cooled bikes, and I loved it, had one or two replacement parts,but never had a problem with the clutch or gearbox, I did 10,000 miles in the first 11 months and sold it , not because I didn't like it, just because I fancied another bike, as we do,
I'll always own a BMW, I had my first one in 1963, But if i'd had the problems some of you guys have had, i'd have walked away, life's to short mate,
Good luck with whatever you choose next,
Graham
BBB61
Registered user
It really is flawed. By offering such a low price, this particular dealer has brought light to the fact that a bike with a replacement engine will be worth far less than one with the original engine.
If I was in the same position, there's no way I'd accept a new engine.
Not necessarily. It's nearly November and dealers will be trying to reduce their stock for the winter. If they already have a lot of GS's they are not going to pay top dollar for another one.
BBB61
Registered user
If you are the same pistole that frequented the K1600 forum then all you are doing is trolling, exactly the same as you do on the K1600 forum.
How about asking this guy for an independent report - even if he can't take it up he will probably knows someone who could help.
http://www.wordsrider.net/qualifications.html
http://www.wordsrider.net/qualifications.html
It is a £15000 plus motorcycle not a chinese moped , it is supposed to have been extensively developed and prototyped by its allegedly prestige manufacturer . It all comes down to the range having faults which should not be there.
Why is it expecting too much to have a very expensive motorcycle that has a top of the range finish, has a slick gearbox, compliant suspension and is fully developed on release to the general public
Why is it expecting too much to have a very expensive motorcycle that has a top of the range finish, has a slick gearbox, compliant suspension and is fully developed on release to the general public
johnfoxllb
Registered user
Completely agree. The WC is a bike best avoided. Judging by the reports from owners, it's probably one of the worst bikes BMW has ever made and one of the most problematic bikes currently in production.
mcinlb
Registered user
Of course, all the thousands of people who bought them worldwide are just "putting up" with all these issues
Utter bollox - it is the best GS to date and their biggest sales success ever - you really shouldn't take notice of all the dross you read on Internet forums - the real World is far closer to the truth.
P.S. How many miles have you ridden on the new LC?
johnfoxllb
Registered user
I'm not sure sales figures can be taken as a measure of the product's quality. A lot of folk were probably mesmerised by early magazine reviews and rushed out to buy a bike hailed as a fantastic piece of equipment. I rushed out and test rode one, I was completely underwhelmed by the gearbox and the quality of the switchgear. I got back on my TC and resolved that the WC was not as well sorted as its predecessor.
I can understand the anger and rage in those that have purchased an underdeveloped, unreliable product and are now left to champion it's cause. Those that still have £15k of hard earned cash in their bank account I suspect will be extremely wary of putting it down on one of these things.
There's no doubt that when a WC is running, it runs very well, exhibiting fine power and handling characteristics. It's a different matter when it's sat in dealership stripped back to the frame awaiting an engine or gearbox (or both).
How many miles did you do on the LC?
How many LCs have been sold?
How many customers are not happy with them?
Are they still selling in large numbers?
Reading the posts of a few unhappy people on the Internet forums is not in anyway a reliable reflection of the true picture.
Unhappy (for whatever reason) people tend to shout loudly - the happy ones tend to stay quite.
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