Mapsource updates

russ996duke

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Having bought a second hand sp3 for the occasional long/foreign trips I can get away with only snag is it came with mapsource 4 (I think) it would be nice although not essential to be able to update to V7 but how much would it cost? any cheapo way of obtaining said upgrade??
 
russ996duke said:
Having bought a second hand sp3 for the occasional long/foreign trips I can get away with only snag is it came with mapsource 4 (I think) it would be nice although not essential to be able to update to V7 but how much would it cost? any cheapo way of obtaining said upgrade??

Upgrading MapSource, the PC software, is free.

Assuming you mean upgrading the Europe City Navigator map from v4 to v7 the cost is $150.

One cheapo way of upgrading is to find a friend with a v7 license to his navigator. To each license one can register two GPS units so if your friend doesn't need his second unit license you can register your SP3 with his map license.
 
Well, yea, but that's dishonest. I'm not saying that because I want to sound like an old maid, I'm saying that because if people start to abuse that policy by fraudulent registrations - which is exactly what you are suggesting - then Garmin will be forced to stop offering it.

The people who will then get screwed are the honest folks - the ones who actually do own two GPSRs. Think about it for a moment.

Michael
 
PanEuropean said:
Well, yea, but that's dishonest. I'm not saying that because I want to sound like an old maid, I'm saying that because if people start to abuse that policy by fraudulent registrations - which is exactly what you are suggesting - then Garmin will be forced to stop offering it.

The people who will then get screwed are the honest folks - the ones who actually do own two GPSRs. Think about it for a moment.

Michael

yea but whats the difference..if Garmin let you run it in two units?

lets say.... you have it on the bike and your wife in the car on your old unit.

it's still two different people using different units with the same mapping.
 
HMR ta very much I must have misunderstodd the price as I thought it was a lot more than $150, do you know where abouts on the website this price is shown??
Pan European, I do believe in the "KISS" philosophy, as I can imagine getting in all sorts of knots to say nothing of feeling unpleasantly like a bit of a cheat if I needed help from garmin and had done some sort of dodgy deal, so would much prefer to pay to have the upgrade, if it were too rich for me then I would do without it!
 
Have a look at THIS PAGE taken from the Garmin Website. ;)

I bought my GPS from Aspids, but for some reason their website doesn't show City Navigator. Don't know why.
 
if you get to run 2 units on one issue of software, where can you buy a 2720 say, with no software at hugely reduced cost?
 
PanEuropean said:
Well, yea, but that's dishonest. l

Not really - they offer 2 licenses, 2 get used . How are garmin losing out ?

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Steptoe said:
Not really - they offer 2 licenses, 2 get used . How are Garmin losing out ?

It works like this:

1) Garmin pays a royalty to the company that creates the maps every time they release a licence (an unlock code). You may have noticed it mentioned in other posts that Garmin does not create maps, any more than Dell, IBM, or Hewlett-Packard create software. Exactly like the computer companies, Garmin licences the content that they bundle in with the GPSR (the maps) from software companies that specialize in map compilations.

2) Each time an owner calls Garmin and asks for a second unlock code (a second licence, in other words) to enable them to use their map product in a second GPSR that that customer legitimatly owns, Garmin pays a licence fee to the map creators when the second unlock code (licence) is generated.

3) Garmin has made a business decision to fully absorb the cost of the second licence themselves when a customer who has purchased two Garmin GPSRs wants to use locked maps on the second one. Their thinking is quite simple: Anyone who owns two GPSRs is a good customer, and because the customers don't fully understand the nuances of software and cartography licencing (meaning, that Garmin doesn't get all the money from map sales), they figure that absorbing the cost of the second licence is a good way to keep good customers happy.

4) If, however, enough dishonest people manipulate the system - exactly as has been proposed above - then Garmin will probably take a second look at the rapidly climbing cost of maintaining this 'free second unlock' policy, and re-think it. In other words, stop doing it.

5) The end result will be that honest people - people who own two GPSRs and want to use the same map product on both - will now have to pay retail for something they are presently getting for free, simply because the dishonest people of the world jerked the system around.

Does that give you a better comprehension of the issues?

If, after reading all this, you still think it is fine to fraudulently represent yourself in order to get a second licence, may I suggest you simply remove the next GPSR you happen to see on a parked motorcycle, and stuff it in your pocket. Not only will that get you a second set of maps, it will get you a second GPSR too. Morally, there's no difference at all between taking something from a corporation, and taking something from an individual - is there? :mmmm

Michael
 
russ996duke said:
Having bought a second hand sp3 for the occasional long/foreign trips I can get away with only snag is it came with mapsource 4 (I think) it would be nice although not essential to be able to update to V7...

Russ:

Let's set aside the whole matter of cost (and method of acquisition) and look at the storage and performance issues associated with running Version 7 cartography on a StreetPilot III.

As you know, the SP III is limited to 256 megs of map storage - and that's only possible if you happen to own a 256 meg chip. Chances are you have a 128 meg chip, because that is what most of the SP III's shipped with.

Since version 4 of the maps was released, the size of the map files has more than doubled - in fact, it has almost tripled. This means that you will only be able to fit half as big an area (as defined by population, which is the easiest thing to correlate map size with) at most on the same chip. More likely, you will see your map storage area - and thus your range of operation - shrink to about one third of what it is now.

In addition, since version 4, an enormous amount of Street Attributes have been added to the cartographic databases. This is good - it results in better quality autorouting - but the processor in your SP III isn't any faster than it was when version 4 was the current release. You will see a significant slowdown in route calculation speed (and screen redraw speed) if you switch from V4 to V7. Its very similar to upgrading your 486 computer from Windows 95 (which runs just fine on a 486) to Windows XP Pro. You can imagine how much the computer would slow down. The GPSR won't slow down quite as much as that, but it will slow down enough that you will notice it.

A good rule of thumb is to not upgrade more than twice on any given piece of hardware. In other words, if your hardware shipped with Version 4 (that is to say, Version 4 was current when it was designed), you can go to V5 without any problems, and to V6 with minimal problems. But beyond that, all bets are off.

If you do a bit of budget planning, it would look like this:

a) cartography upgrade cost - $150
b) bigger chip (256 meg) to maintain current travel range - I don't know for sure, but probably $150 as well.

Let's say, for sake of argument, that your current unit is worth about $250 used. If you sold that unit for $250, and added to that what you were going to spend on the map upgrade and what you would need to spend on the bigger chip - heck, you are darn close to the cost of a new 'small' GPSR, or a gently used fancy GPSR that is perhaps one generation old (e.g. a 26xx).

If I were you, I would continue to use the SP III with the version 4 maps, as long as it gets the job done for you. When you get to the point that you really want to have current maps, then buy a new (or used) GPSR that not only has current maps, but was designed to be used with current maps. Considering that you said "you only bought the GPSR for occasional long foreign trips", you might be better off spending $100 on a decent map pouch for the top of your tankbag, and paper maps for your destination. Keep the SP III on 5 mile range, so as to see the 'big picture' of where you are, and you will have the very best of both worlds for minimal cost.

Just food for thought.

Michael
 
Pan, wow! see what a simple question can do!!!, thanks for bringing such clarity to the issue, and you are quite right, as i only use it for the odd foreign trip I could manage with current version...i had not realised the implications of the V& memory issues..and equally I cannot really justify buying a newer GPSR (toy) for such occasional use.
cheers
john
 


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