New Bike - Corrosion Test

[Warlord]

Only must mean something different in the UK. His was exposed to salt, and your bike was not. That alone will ruin your results RE: caused by normal soap.

I agree.

However, last Winter was very mild. In the West Midlands we didn't get any road salt until about February. Then we had gritters out on one or two days at most.

Salt on the road was around for about a week or so before it was washed away.

As we ride all year I have to assume he was exposed at least once during that week as I don't know for a fact what the exposure was.

Like me he rides for leisure and doesn't commute on the bike.

But we know salt is very corrosive.

Lets assume his bike was exposed to salt for one day and then left on the bike for weeks. This could cause the damage in the pictures if moisture and air were present also.

I'll ask him.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I agree.

However, last Winter was very mild. In the West Midlands we didn't get any road salt until about February. Then we had gritters out on one or two days at most.

Salt on the road was around for about a week or so before it was washed away.

As we ride all year I have to assume he was exposed at least once during that week as I don't know for a fact what the exposure was.

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Are you sure?

Have you got the log of times they were out from your local Highways teams

I bet they were out more than twice and a lot earlier than Feb

Perhaps they were out at 2.30 am and you weren't sat at the roadside to see them

Making claims like that doesn't help the credibility of your study

 

[Warlord]

Are you sure?

Have you got the log of times they were out from your local Highways teams

I bet they were out more than twice and a lot earlier than Feb

Perhaps they were out at 2.30 am and you weren't sat at the roadside to see them

Making claims like that doesn't help the credibility of your study

You must be itching to shit all over this thread. Haha

If I had every single Gritter Schedule, for every single road, during every single day during Winter. The Drivers Names, their attendance records, the Tyre Pressures and Oil Levels of every vehicle. You'd still suggest the salt mix didn't qualify as salt, and were the spreaders even across the roads.

So feck off and go shit somewhere else.

 

[Warlord]

With question about riding in salt, he text back saying...

Hi steve, probably a few Saturday mornings, 4 hours riding each time, but the bike would not have been washed if it was raining.

So his bike is being subjected to both scenario's we'd like to try and avoid.

And no, I don't have the meterological charts for his house on those Saturdays or precipitation levels. FFS.

 

[Warlord]

I'm going to leave this thread now for another few thousand miles, and come back to it with pictures of my own bike and the facts.

If in the meantime it turns to a TROLL SHIT FEST, I apologise to everyone else in the meantime.

See ya later...

 

[telbenj]

I'm going to leave this thread now for another few thousand miles, and come back to it with pictures of my own bike and the facts.

If in the meantime it turns to a TROLL SHIT FEST, I apologise to everyone else in the meantime.

See ya later...

I've not seen the pictures, for some reason it says I need to upgrade to photo bucket 5 ? Can you re- upload as just normal JPEG ?

Thanks Terry

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

You must be itching to shit all over this thread. Haha



So feck off and go shit somewhere else.

No shitting here, but when you make sweeping statements that the West Mids gritters were only out for 2-3 days last winter and somebody disagrees - why get all arsey

I'm going to leave this thread now for another few thousand miles, and come back to it with pictures of my own bike and the facts.

If in the meantime it turns to a TROLL SHIT FEST, I apologise to everyone else in the meantime.

See ya later...

You must have a paranoia complex





Keep it objective, otherwise your quest has too many variables and quite frankly I really don't know what you are trying to achieve

But it's your choice and good luck with your quest

 

[telbenj]

Are you sure?

Have you got the log of times they were out from your local Highways teams

I bet they were out more than twice and a lot earlier than Feb

Perhaps they were out at 2.30 am and you weren't sat at the roadside to see them

Making claims like that doesn't help the credibility of your study

This thread isn't difficult to understand, and there is no reason to make it complicated.
One bike same make same model, washed now and then with forecourt washing equipment.
And one bike looked after using wash products and after wash treatments designed to look after your pride and joy.

Then over a period of time compare the results, simple.

I've seen demonstrator bikes months old looking shite and with various parts showing signs of corrosion, and going to bike meets we all see bikes with terrible corrosion issues.
All my bikes are in pristine condition at point of sale, my last GSA a September 2015 bike just been sold with 25000 miles on it and rode all year including 2 winters, it was mint, and that is because I washed it regularly and used after wash protective sprays. Photo is in earlier post.

As far as I can see Warlord is trying to prove this point.

Terry

 

[Wrinkly]

OK, Lets have a bit of perspective here! Bikes corroding is nothing new, even the same model and model years can sometimes vary enormously in their battle against corrosion.
Whilst I agree that some time and care needs to be given to preserve our bikes as much as possible, we should not need to be anal about cleaning for the bike to last a fair few years before showing any significant signs of corrosion.

In my 45 year biking history I've owned over 100 bikes, many being new or nearly new. I ride all year and I've looked after them all in a similar manner.

Here's my system. Summer...Wash off the bugs occasionally. If it's been a wet day and the bike is blathered, wash off at the next opportunity. Winter...If the roads are wet and the bike is blathered to the eyeballs, round to the nearest Jet Wash, wash it down come home, quick rinse with the hose wipe down put it away.

Twice a year...Spring (April) Autumn (September) thorough clean and a good polish. Usually takes me most of the day.

Here's some of the more memorable bikes in relation to corrosion, all looked after in a similar manner to the above.

1976 Suzuki GT 550...looked like a 10 year old bike after it's first winter.

1985 BMW R65....2 winters still looked like a brand new bike.

1983 BMW R80RT.....Significant corrosion after 2 winters

1987 BMW K75... Kept this bike for around 8 years used it to commute, no corrosion at all.

1988 BMW R100rs... Fair amount of corrosion after winters, but still looked good.

1992 BMW K75... Still see this bike now and it's still in great condition and never been renovated.

1994 Triumph Sprint...Almost melted before my eyes, never had anything corrode like this did.

1996 Triumph Daytona...They did me a deal on the Sprint. This was better but still significant corrosion after one winter. Put me off Triumphs for a long time.

1997...BMW r1100gs..4 Winters looked almost as good as new.

2005 BMW R1150 GS SE...Not the first owner, but at 4 years old did not look it's best significant corrosion all over the bike.

2009 BMW R1200 gs... 2 winters almost unmarked.

2011 BMW R1200gs tc..2 winters...as new.

2013 BMW R1200 gs wc.... Not quite as bad as the Triumph sprint. but not far off. 16mnts old looked like a 10 year old bike. Biggest loss I've ever taken on a bike.

2014 Moto Guzzi Stelvio...17 mnts indistinguishable from new.

2015 Triumph Explorer....Long time since I've seen a finish as good as this, and in no way was it pampered.


So, there you have it. Fair few BM's in there some were finished really well and some not so. Best finish I've ever seen on a bike were the K75's. I've had 4 two of which were fairly well abused, but stood up to it very well.

I've used garage Jet Washes on most of most of my bikes and have no evidence to suggest they promote corrosion. I see were your coming from with the caustic pre wash. But your washing it straight off.

If modern BMW's won't tolerate this without corroding...time to move on.

 

[B11RGER]

OK, Lets have a bit of perspective here! Bikes corroding is nothing new, even the same model and model years can sometimes vary enormously in their battle against corrosion.
Whilst I agree that some time and care needs to be given to preserve our bikes as much as possible, we should not need to be anal about cleaning for the bike to last a fair few years before showing any significant signs of corrosion.

In my 45 year biking history I've owned over 100 bikes, many being new or nearly new. I ride all year and I've looked after them all in a similar manner.

Here's my system. Summer...Wash off the bugs occasionally. If it's been a wet day and the bike is blathered, wash off at the next opportunity. Winter...If the roads are wet and the bike is blathered to the eyeballs, round to the nearest Jet Wash, wash it down come home, quick rinse with the hose wipe down put it away.

Twice a year...Spring (April) Autumn (September) thorough clean and a good polish. Usually takes me most of the day.

Here's some of the more memorable bikes in relation to corrosion, all looked after in a similar manner to the above.

1976 Suzuki GT 550...looked like a 10 year old bike after it's first winter.

1985 BMW R65....2 winters still looked like a brand new bike.

1983 BMW R80RT.....Significant corrosion after 2 winters

1987 BMW K75... Kept this bike for around 8 years used it to commute, no corrosion at all.

1988 BMW R100rs... Fair amount of corrosion after winters, but still looked good.

1992 BMW K75... Still see this bike now and it's still in great condition and never been renovated.

1994 Triumph Sprint...Almost melted before my eyes, never had anything corrode like this did.

1996 Triumph Daytona...They did me a deal on the Sprint. This was better but still significant corrosion after one winter. Put me off Triumphs for a long time.

1997...BMW r1100gs..4 Winters looked almost as good as new.

2005 BMW R1150 GS SE...Not the first owner, but at 4 years old did not look it's best significant corrosion all over the bike.

2009 BMW R1200 gs... 2 winters almost unmarked.

2011 BMW R1200gs tc..2 winters...as new.

2013 BMW R1200 gs wc.... Not quite as bad as the Triumph sprint. but not far off. 16mnts old looked like a 10 year old bike. Biggest loss I've ever taken on a bike.

2014 Moto Guzzi Stelvio...17 mnts indistinguishable from new.

2015 Triumph Explorer....Long time since I've seen a finish as good as this, and in no way was it pampered.


So, there you have it. Fair few BM's in there some were finished really well and some not so. Best finish I've ever seen on a bike were the K75's. I've had 4 two of which were fairly well abused, but stood up to it very well.

I've used garage Jet Washes on most of most of my bikes and have no evidence to suggest they promote corrosion. I see were your coming from with the caustic pre wash. But your washing it straight off.

If modern BMW's won't tolerate this without corroding...time to move on.

I would agree with this also . IN MY OPINION that is why some BMW' s suffer corrosion while others don't to some extent. It's all about how they are process in manufacture. Some batches are getting a better finish than others probably due to the high demand of sales.I have had various models of bikes in the past and treated them in a similar manner with cleaning an washing with cold water after exposure to road salt.? I am lucky with my pretend GS as it appears to be finished quite well and now nearly 2 years old with 12,000 miles on the clock. So 19 pages mainly of cut and paste bull shit. Some people have far too much time on their hands and would be better getting a life ,either out riding their bike or spending their time doing some charity work


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[Warlord]

You must have a paranoia complex....

Keep it objective....

Just amazing...

 

[Warlord]

Some people have far too much time on their hands and would be better getting a life ,either out riding their bike or spending their time doing some charity work.

Hello Classic Stalker

Yep, I do all of that.

What do you do?

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Just amazing...

I thought you were not posting again for another 2000 miles, so in the last 2 hours you have done a lot of miles

Seriously, just take it all with a pinch of (salt) around here (you are quite new to the world of GS's, most of us have seen it all before....more than once).............nothing in life is that serious and laugh about it, we're all Tossers really including you now

 

[Warlord]

I thought you were not posting again for another 2000 miles, so in the last 2 hours you have done a lot of miles

Seriously, just take it all with a pinch of (salt) around here (you are quite new to the world of GS's, most of us have seen it all before....more than once).............nothing in life is that serious and laugh about it, we're all Tossers really including you now

Haha indeed

I'm having a bad day today anyways, as just been into my storage garage and my poor Bandit 1250 has fork oil leak. Blown seal (landing wheelies probably).

So hey ho, strip down needed.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Haha indeed

I'm having a bad day today anyways, as just been into my storage garage and my poor Bandit 1250 has fork oil leak. Blown seal (landing wheelies probably).

So hey ho, strip down needed.

That's the way, smile and the world will laugh with you

 

[B11RGER]

Hello Classic Stalker

Yep, I do all of that.

What do you do?

Thought you knew , I come on here trolling know-alls that think their opinion is all that matters. They also think they are smart being abusive to anyone that dares to have an opinion that the know-all disagrees with.

 

[malcopopolo]

I am right! I am always right!
I have no friends! I have no wife!
I do have a ting tong Mr Dubwee and dodgy forks

 

[Mr Bean]

This thread isn't difficult to understand, and there is no reason to make it complicated.
One bike same make same model, washed now and then with forecourt washing equipment.
And one bike looked after using wash products and after wash treatments designed to look after your pride and joy.

Then over a period of time compare the results, simple.

I've seen demonstrator bikes months old looking shite and with various parts showing signs of corrosion, and going to bike meets we all see bikes with terrible corrosion issues.
All my bikes are in pristine condition at point of sale, my last GSA a September 2015 bike just been sold with 25000 miles on it and rode all year including 2 winters, it was mint, and that is because I washed it regularly and used after wash protective sprays. Photo is in earlier post.

As far as I can see Warlord is trying to prove this point.

Terry

I can see you are having difficulty with this, but let me explain:

a) one bike has ridden through a winter, that includes a number of roads that had been salted
b) the 'salted' bike wasn't washed after being salted
c) Warlord's bike had not been salted

I understand the argument Warlord is putting forward, but the info put presented (and acknowledged by him - his mate riding on salted roads) doesn't help the case. The fact that he shared the info is a credit to Warlord - he could have kept it to himself.

Can you see that there might be reason to question the initial view?

 

[Warlord]

I'm not trying to withold any information. I'm try to help solve this puzzle and help those owners that struggle with this issue.

I'd like more positive input to help people on this matter.

I just don't think the blame lays 100% at BMW's door.

But hey ho. I tried.

 

[Mr Bean]

I'm not trying to withold any information.

I know, that was my point.