New Bike - Corrosion Test

I just don't think the blame lays 100% at BMW's door.

I also don't disagree with this - I don't clean my bike more than once a month, it sits in a small front garden without easy access to mains water.

My RT had significant corrosion and I probably lost £1,500 or so when I sold it. But over 6 years it was not worth the effort.
 
What a thread! With so many caustic GS pilots, it's not surprising that some of these bikes corrode. Just add water!
 
Second Service at 6500 Miles

Well my 2017 R1200GS Adventure Triple Black has now got to just under 6,300 miles and is due its next service.

I had the 1st Service done at BMW as part of the run-in period, but the bike is running really well and no issues, so after 6 months I'm now taking over.

Checked the bike for corrosion and as expected, its absolutely immaculate. No Rust at all.

So I'm going to carry on with this thread, but with a twist of adding home servicing and maintenance content (and pictures).

I bought an OBDLink-MX Bluetooth hardware device (which also connects to my cars), and purchased the MotoScan Android App which now allows me to access the innards of my BMW and do a Service Reset. (All for around £100) Which is great value as I can use it on other BMW bikes and mine and family member cars. Don't need an expensive GS911.

I needed a 75mm (14 Flutes) Oil Filter removal tool, and everything else I already have. So onwards and upwards... :thumb2
 

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Then the Final Drive Oil Change... 6.3 UK Fl OZ = 180 ml
 

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I bought a 25 Litre Water container (for camping) that I now use to store my old engine oil.

Can get about 2 years worth before I take it down to the Recycling Tip.

Convenient to get rid of the old engine oil and crap.
 

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Whats nice about servicing your own vehicles is while things are removed, you can get right in for a deep clean.

Bet BMW technicians won't spend any time cleaning behind stuff with wax or protection for next time. :(
 
An interesting thread. Bottom line is that regular cleaning with cold water & ph neutral shampoos, and maybe the odd use of ph neutral cleaners such as SDoc 1000, goes a long way in helping to keep bikes in tip top condition. Applaud the DIY servicing but will this not invalidate any future warranty claims?
 
Applaud the DIY servicing but will this not invalidate any future warranty claims?

Well I look at it this way.

I own the bike not BMW. So I have no legal responsibility to go back to them.

But they have a legal responsibility to me under The Sales of Goods Act.
This covers me for most of what I need for any faulty components, for quite some time.

Block Exemption and Chapter 10 rules don't apply to motorcycles, so I'm aware they have the right to turn away 'good will' or Warranty Claims.

However, I still have a good relationship with my dealer for Genuine Parts and will still use them for some things. In my personal experience, I've never been turned away for a sensible and reasonable Warranty Claim. A good dealer will help you once they can see you're not going to give them a hard time over bullshit claims.

Recalls they have to do anyways, so that isn't an issue.

I keep all my receipts, pictures and records bang up to date to show I'm doing my bit, and I do use Genuine Parts. But I'm honestly not worried about it.

I actually like doing this work anyways, I don't want to be detached from my hobby and machines. The more I know the more I enjoy it.

But thats just me....
 
One of my mates has a '66' 2016 Reg BMW R1200GS Adventure Triple Black.

His bike is a few months older than mine, and less mileage.

But he uses a Jet Washer to clean it and its already going rusty.

His BMW dealer has just told him his entire engine has to be removed and rebuilt due to a blown gasket?

Seriously, WTF ?

His bike is falling apart.
 
What I'm trying to say is I'm not a fan of 'the Warranty system' so I'd rather not buy into it and go my own way.

When you buy something, you expect it to be in good order and fit for its advertised purpose. In UK Law you are protected to a large degree by Sales of Goods Act, Sales of Goods and Services Act, Consumer Credit Act Section 75 and in our case The Motorcycle Industry Association and 'buy with confidence' scheme.

Most UK Law is time sensitive, so you have to act in a timely manner. So while the manufacturers and dealers have you caught up in this 'good will' warranty smoke screen, they are moving you away from your real power in UK Law. The longer they can delay you in 'good will', the less UK Law applies to your predicament as you'll fall outside the necessary action timelines. Don't be fooled, take action.

But then I also 'DIY' my court battles and have won four legal challenges out of four in the last 15 years, two with motorcycle manufacturers (as for some reason they like to try and bully you when things don't go their way).

Dealers give you this made up 'Warranty' spiel like a cloaking device to do nothing more than deflect their Legal Responsibilities in UK Law. It's really nothing more than another Sales Item that they can create their own rules and costs for it. Like chargeable 'Extended Warranty'. Their parts cost nothing compared to the over-inflated MRRP scare tactics.

An example is Honda VFR1200 Rear Shock. Failure can be every 6 months from new. So they gladly replace under 'Warranty'. So this repeatedly goes on for 2 years. Then you are 'out of Warranty' and now they want £1200. So people sell their bike and either buy another or go elsewhere. With other consumers terrified to 'stay in Warranty' and UK Law is neutralised because you've already accepted a remedy or are slowly falling outside the timelines for action.

It's bullshit. That Shock is not fit for purpose from day one and should never cost £1200 new. That price scam has been going on for years (mainly sucking in Insurance Companies for high repair charges on replacement parts).

But it has a second spin-off. High MRRP component prices scare people into buying 'Extended Warranty'. Kerching, another money maker.

Most things can be repaired by skilled people for a fraction of the costs that the Dealers Quote.

If it can't be repaired, replacement parts are cheap off eBay. Or in a lot of situations you can buy top of the line aftermarket Kit for similar prices (as an example), and it'll be higher quality and last longer.

So you can be sucked into the system if you want, and I'm sure plenty of people have stories of how they saved £1000's by only spending £100's each year on Extended Warranties.

But about 25 years ago, I moved away. Bought my own tools over time and now do my own work.

I've always had brand new cars and motorcycles and serviced them myself. Usually get the run in service done by dealer which gives me 6 months 'feel' for any mechanical issues. Then I do it all myself.

In 25 Years and a Lot of Vehicles, I've never had any trouble. Not with Warranty Claims, Not with Vehicle Sales, all good. Just Sign the service book myself and do a good job.

It's satisfying to know that my oil filter, air filter, spark plugs, valve checks are actually being done!! ... are you sure?
 
One of my mates has a '66' 2016 Reg BMW R1200GS Adventure Triple Black.

His bike is a few months older than mine, and less mileage.

But he uses a Jet Washer to clean it and its already going rusty.

His BMW dealer has just told him his entire engine has to be removed and rebuilt due to a blown gasket?

Seriously, WTF ?

His bike is falling apart.

What products is he cleaning the bike with, with his jet washer? I've been using a Karcher for about 5 years to clean my bike, and have never had any corrosion on any of my bikes.
 
What products is he cleaning the bike with, with his jet washer? I've been using a Karcher for about 5 years to clean my bike, and have never had any corrosion on any of my bikes.

No idea,

Personally I think its a perfect storm scenario.

a) He doesn't wax or protect his paintwork
b) He uses a Commercial Jet Washer typically found at a petrol station (i) The water jet (used up close) perforates the paintwork over time allowing air access to the metalwork underneath (ii) The caustic foam additive accelerates corrosion and further strips any protection or wax
c) He rides through winter adding road salt to his bike

Repeat a, b, c

I also personally think, the power of a jet washer used up close (like someone trying to remove a persistent mark on their bike) may have caused his gasket seal failure (as he now has a coolant leak).

Disturbingly his dealer is saying this coolant gasket can only be replaced by a full engine removal, strip down and rebuild. All under 'warranty' of course.

That's absolutely fecking tragic as the bike hasn't even done 4000 miles yet from new!

I've suggested he gets a second opinion !
 
But then I also 'DIY' my court battles and have won four legal challenges out of four in the last 15 years, two with motorcycle manufacturers

In 25 Years and a Lot of Vehicles, I've never had any trouble. Not with Warranty Claims, Not with Vehicle Sales, all good.

Having to go to court 4 times is no trouble? Hopefully they paid all your fees in every case :thumb2
 
Having to go to court 4 times is no trouble? Hopefully they paid all your fees in every case :thumb2

It's no trouble at all for me, 'having to go to court' is more trouble for them I suspect.

The Judges don't just accept any old bullshit application, it has to be a sound basis for wrong-doing or lawbreaking.

Yes they paid for my 'consequential losses' but as I self-represent I don't charge fee's, so my time is non-refundable, but it doesn't cost me anything.

Anyways, each to their own.:beerjug:
 
No idea,

Personally I think its a perfect storm scenario.

a) He doesn't wax or protect his paintwork
b) He uses a Commercial Jet Washer typically found at a petrol station (i) The water jet (used up close) perforates the paintwork over time allowing air access to the metalwork underneath (ii) The caustic foam additive accelerates corrosion and further strips any protection or wax
c) He rides through winter adding road salt to his bike

Repeat a, b, c

I also personally think, the power of a jet washer used up close (like someone trying to remove a persistent mark on their bike) may have caused his gasket seal failure (as he now has a coolant leak).

Disturbingly his dealer is saying this coolant gasket can only be replaced by a full engine removal, strip down and rebuild. All under 'warranty' of course.

That's absolutely fecking tragic as the bike hasn't even done 4000 miles yet from new!

I've suggested he gets a second opinion !

OK, that makes more sense. Theres a chap from Florida on here with the same issues, also caused by an industrial jet wash/ hand car wash.

When I jet wash mine, I use ph neutral cleaning products, NEVER get close to any bearings or sensitive parts, and always give the vulnerable areas a good coat of FS365 or GT85 in the winter.
 
I was having a butchers round a colleages GS at work on Friday

its an R1150gs - circa 2000/1 German registered, and well used.

His front engine case was in very good condition -

no obvious signs of corrosion, bolts heads darkened but not tarnished.

He uses no cleaners / treatments on it, just washes it occasionally.

paint formulation / application change since then? e-coating change ?

Would certainly seem that way.
 


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