Pointless electronics
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The post isn't pointless is it?
I wasn't aware that they were options at the time of the post, I do now, so I'm wiser.
Also the statement still has merit and maybe potential owners will be more likely to question the need for all these rider aids and whether they are going to improve or worsen the riding experience for them.
So I disagree that the post is pointless
jonnyp
Registered user
er, they don't
Ok the N doesn't but you get the drift!!!
Sorry couldn't resist
Never say, never
Actually I'd love to try a Basic bike, just to see how it rides
But modes, turn me off...............
jonnyp
Registered user
The post isn't pointless is it?
I wasn't aware that they were options at the time of the post, I do now, so I'm wiser.
Also the statement still has merit and maybe potential owners will be more likely to question the need for all these rider aids and whether they are going to improve or worsen the riding experience for them.
So I disagree that the post is pointless
Your first post was on the 2/6/13 so you'd missed all the marketing that BMW put out over the last 6 or so months and have not been reading posts on this site or others about people buying different variants. When you went to the dealers for your test ride, they didn't mention that there was not only the TE but...the base and the enduro and here's all the options.......and although Red is, the fastest colour it comes in white...boing grey.......and .......blue! .....really?
As I said, I agree with some of what you have said and my first GS was a basic one and too be honest, for most of the reasons YOU have given my next one may well be too.
My point was, bmw haven't said this is it, take it or leave it, we have choice in what we buy, which over the competition will see this bike in all it's variants become one of the best.
I remember many years ago watching Steve Berry on a video, he was on a 916 (which I was lusting after at the time). He was banging on about it, just how good it was, as he stood by it on the top of a mountain... The camera pans back and you hear him say (in a northern drool) "so, is this the best bike in the world?" ..."No" he exclaimed .. and a spec appears at the bottom of a twisting track. Approaching at speed, the rider making easy work of the twists and turns... and as it thunders (ok weezes past) his remark is "narr... That is"
A BMW R1150GS (now will get corrected I'm sure) speeds off in to the distance.
At that point my lust for the Italian beauty change to one of desire for the German monster.
Sadly I've never have owned an 1150.....one day, I may get the chance!!
jonnyp
Registered user
Sorry couldn't resist
Never say, never
Actually I'd love to try a Basic bike, just to see how it rides
But modes, turn me off...............
If you can't find a dealer with a base model - try a TE in enduro mode!
Just leave it in one mode and cover the button up with gaffa tape or something and pretend it's not there.... voila, a new LC with just one mode.... Actually I'd love to try a Basic bike, just to see how it rides
But modes, turn me off...............
Just leave it in one mode and cover the button up with gaffa tape or something and pretend it's not there.... voila, a new LC with just one mode
If he took his rose tinted spectacles with retrospective lenses off he wouldn't notice the button anyway
Sadly I've never have owned an 1150.....one day, I may get the chance!!
i wouldn't bother. they are limited to "barge" mode
If you can't find a dealer with a base model - try a TE in enduro mode!
Ahh, but there in lies another issue. As I have said earlier, my understanding is that enduro mode cuts the power. Now enduro plug may give full power, but with the enduro modes more natural/connected throttle characteristics, but I am still trying to fathom it out. How is the standard bike configured? Is it dynamic throttle/road throttle/enduro throttle? nobody seems to know
I understand the enduro model comes with all the modes the TE comes with. If that is the case then I'm not convinced it's any different to the bike I road bar a few farkles and wire wheels and possibly standard shock suspension.
For me personally to consider a WC I would want Enduro throttle with full power, standard shocks and no traction control.
The difficulty with all the electrics is it's hard to know what gives what etc. How does a standard bike feel with no modes etc. No way of finding out because the dealers make more money selling all the gubbins.
I'm sure somebody will soon be able to programme the bike to your exact liking. Then and only then will the WC be the bike it should be imho.
alp
Registered user
Ye Gods, are we really still banging on about the modes.
I think we have all got the message pages back- some love it and some don't.
Those that haven't tested the bike with the modes, then do so, make up your mind, order what suits you best.......The End! (altough somehow I think this will run and run..)
I think we have all got the message pages back- some love it and some don't.
Those that haven't tested the bike with the modes, then do so, make up your mind, order what suits you best.......The End! (altough somehow I think this will run and run..
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Ye Gods, are we really still banging on about the modes.
I think we have all got the message pages back- some love it and some don't.
Those that haven't tested the bike with the modes, then do so, make up your mind, order what suits you best.......The End! (altough somehow I think this will run and run..
HERE HERE
Elvisto
Graham
Mmmmm getting rather boring
You're saying that if you don't have all the gizmo's you can't ride in the rain, go further than a short ride (how far would that be - 50 miles?) and only ride on A roads?
No
Your bike...........
Then you'd be a Tosser riding around on a CNUT
I wouldn't ever buy a WC GS
Stick to the tractors its safer!
it's not an enduro bike or even a sports bike though, is it?
isn't it ?
jonnyp
Registered user
Ahh, but there in lies another issue. As I have said earlier, my understanding is that enduro mode cuts the power. Now enduro plug may give full power, but with the enduro modes more natural/connected throttle characteristics, but I am still trying to fathom it out. How is the standard bike configured? Is it dynamic throttle/road throttle/enduro throttle? nobody seems to know
I understand the enduro model comes with all the modes the TE comes with. If that is the case then I'm not convinced it's any different to the bike I road bar a few farkles and wire wheels and possibly standard shock suspension.
For me personally to consider a WC I would want Enduro throttle with full power, standard shocks and no traction control.
The difficulty with all the electrics is it's hard to know what gives what etc. How does a standard bike feel with no modes etc. No way of finding out because the dealers make more money selling all the gubbins.
I'm sure somebody will soon be able to programme the bike to your exact liking. Then and only then will the WC be the bike it should be imho.
I'm not sure where you are getting this cut in power, its not a naff'in KTM - all the modes are full power 125bhp
My guess is, the base model is probably set in Road Mode. But the throttle action in enduro mode and road is about the same.
My understanding is the mode sets the damping, throttle response and level of traction control the ESA sets the pre-load. So buy the base model, or the enduro model ... Simples !
Simples
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You're saying that if you don't have all the gizmo's you can't ride in the rain, go further than a short ride (how far would that be - 50 miles?) and only ride on A roads?
How ever did anyone get further than Tesco's ten years ago? The gizmo's might add convenience but you can't possibly believe they make things possible that you can't do without them? And when they break, which is inevitable at some point, you have an expensive bill and possibly roadside assist to consider - thats my only concern.
I here what you are saying here and thats cool but more electronics doesn't neccessarily mean unreliable, not when you consider how much this side of technology has moved on.
I find it hard to understand why some people are so adverse to progress after all thats what seperates from us from animals
(I think I have just hit the nail on the head)
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