Pointless electronics

[Myke Rocks]

Actually they are using electronics to cure a gearing problem.

Traction control in dynamic mode
Even on a dry sunny day it kicks in at the merest wiff of a wheely So turn it off and all your left with is the snatchy fly by wire throttle
Road mode does seem any different to dynamic imho
Best mode is enduro mode for me, but then it limits power to the same as the old bike
Any chance of a combo of enduro throttle and full power with the traction turned down to 2 please

What has happened is that BMW in their wisdom? have seriously undergeared the bike for normal top gear riding, and as a consequence, you need power limitation to prevent the bike doing stupid things.
It would be more sensible to install a higher top gear, which does the same thing with the added advantage of much improved fuel consumption.
Myke

 

[Flipfly]

What has happened is that BMW in their wisdom? have seriously undergeared the bike for normal top gear riding, and as a consequence, you need power limitation to prevent the bike doing stupid things.
It would be more sensible to install a higher top gear, which does the same thing with the added advantage of much improved fuel consumption.
Myke

Tbh Mike I disagree. It's 125bhp, hardly groundbreaking, tyre shredding power. They add toys to improve margins and then make everyone believe it is a must have.
Spoke to a customer today with a zx10. 170bhp and no electrics. He said he test rode the 1000rr bm and found the electrics too intrusive and it spoilt his enjoyment of the bike.

Each to their own, but thankfully it looks like I'm not on my own in my thoughts

 

[BBB61]

As Flip says, that is a statement of an arrogant prick & a weak argument to boot

Some might say such a response is also the statement of an arrogant prick Johnny

 

[Flipfly]

Some might say such a response is also the statement of an arrogant prick Johnny

Only a prick would say that

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Some might say such a response is also the statement of an arrogant prick Johnny

You really are a complete & total knob, Bob

 

[BBB61]

You really are a complete & total knob, Bob

I am surprised Johnny, I thought you were above such personal comments, but clearly that is not the case. Such a shame that some on this forum are incapable of having a reasoned discussion without resorting to personal insults and abuse. It's one thing having a light hearted discussion about "my 1150 is better than your 1200" but too many take it a stage further.

 

[BBB61]

Only a prick would say that

So speaks the one who is incapable of riding a modern motorcycle with some rider aids fitted.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I am surprised Johnny, I thought you were above such personal comments, but clearly that is not the case. Such a shame that some on this forum are incapable of having a reasoned discussion without resorting to personal insults and abuse. It's one thing having a light hearted discussion about "my 1150 is better than your 1200" but too many take it a stage further.

I am not normally minded to do that, but I think you'll find you started it perhaps

Some might say such a response is also the statement of an arrogant prick Johnny

You are a consumate pedant, who follows me around the forum

Picking up on my stuff, but not many others - from what I see and read

A lot of the 1200 v 1150 stuff I comment on is just banter, tongue in cheek.............whilst you pull me up, in your serious and condescending manner

I don't know what your beef is with me, I don't think we've ever met

As soon as you type a response, I can second guess it will be aimed at me, I almost even know what you'll write

There's no banter, no fun,no piss taking,no humour....... with you at all

All I can say Bob is get a life and lighten up............ FFS

 

[Appman]

Out in northern Spain at present and have managed to use every mode today to meet the conditions presented.

Rain mode is confident inspiring, dynamic on the twisty mountain roads, enduro on the mountain tracks.

The bike is awesome, just need to become used to using the on the fly changes in order to get the best from the whole package.

 

[Loki-JME]

I find the throttle much friendlier than on my KTM

 

[Hammam]

Traction control in dynamic mode

Even on a dry sunny day it kicks in at the merest wiff of a wheely So turn it off and all your left with is the snatchy fly by wire throttle

Road mode does seem any different to dynamic imho

Best mode is enduro mode for me, but then it limits power to the same as the old bike


Any chance of a combo of enduro throttle and full power with the traction turned down to 2 please

Strange. My LC does not have a snatchy fly-by-wire throttle, and it does show significant difference in power delivery between the four modes, especially between Road and Dynamic.

The one you rode was probably faulty.

 

[Hammam]

Welcome to the new world

The bike decides what you need now, not the rider

Where's the fun in that, might as well be in the car

Well, I've sat on my LC and waited. Nothing happened. So I started it, and waited. Nothing happened. So, I shifted in 1st and gave it some gas, rolled away and waited. It wouldn't change gear. So, I shifted in 2nd and waited. It wouldn't turn right. So, I turned her right and waited. But it never stopped at the stop sign. Thank God there was no car in sight.

So, I decided enough was enough, so I hit the road doing things myself. Then, I decided to give this magic bike another chance. I was going around 80 mph and there was this rather tight right-hander coming. I waited until the very last second, and fortunately, I sensed the bike wasn't going to do anything on its own, so I hit the brake, quickly shifted down into 4th., leaned the bike over, leaning a bit forward to load the front wheel, hips ut to the left a bit, head out to the right a bit, looking at my exit point, gave it some gas entering the curve, controlling the turn with tiny counter-steering, hit the apex and accelerated smoothly out of the curve, pulling her up and to speed shifting up back to 6th.

I don't know what it is with this bike that won't decide what I need. Shoudl I bring it back to the dealer to have it checked?

 

[Beemerman59]

Well, I've sat on my LC and waited. Nothing happened. So I started it, and waited. Nothing happened. So, I shifted in 1st and gave it some gas, rolled away and waited. It wouldn't change gear. So, I shifted in 2nd and waited. It wouldn't turn right. So, I turned her right and waited. But it never stopped at the stop sign. Thank God there was no car in sight.

So, I decided enough was enough, so I hit the road doing things myself. Then, I decided to give this magic bike another chance. I was going around 80 mph and there was this rather tight right-hander coming. I waited until the very last second, and fortunately, I sensed the bike wasn't going to do anything on its own, so I hit the brake, quickly shifted down into 4th., leaned the bike over, leaning a bit forward to load the front wheel, hips ut to the left a bit, head out to the right a bit, looking at my exit point, gave it some gas entering the curve, controlling the turn with tiny counter-steering, hit the apex and accelerated smoothly out of the curve, pulling her up and to speed shifting up back to 6th.

I don't know what it is with this bike that won't decide what I need. Shoudl I bring it back to the dealer to have it checked?

No need to take it to the dealer - you're not riding fast enough. Remember its an LC with 125bhp on tap so you're supposed to keep it on the rev limiter at all times, trying to pop wheelies and generally causing widespread fear in the community with your awesome beast

 

[geesexr]

You've just summed it up, you don't use all the stuff now

You'd have been better off with ABS, heated grips and spokes

Saved yerself probably £2k too

I have bought the TE version and I use all the toys simply because I use the bike in all weather conditions and on all types of road conditions. The mode selection is so simple to use and can turn an enduro bike into practically a sports bike. You wouldn't set the suspension up on an enduro bike the same as you would a sports bike and on the LC your just a switch away its bloody fantastic. The cruise control is excellent for speed cameras and for motorways, Traction control is great when you have an over active throttle hand in the wet. There isn't anything on the bike that I don't use on a regular basis so for me I would happily pay the extra £'s for the toys. I can understand why some people prefer not to have them and thats cool with me, perhaps if you only ride in fine weather or stick to main roads and short journeys why would you need them.

 

[Beemerman59]

I can understand why some people prefer not to have them and thats cool with me, perhaps if you only ride in fine weather or stick to main roads and short journeys why would you need them.

You're saying that if you don't have all the gizmo's you can't ride in the rain, go further than a short ride (how far would that be - 50 miles?) and only ride on A roads?

How ever did anyone get further than Tesco's ten years ago? The gizmo's might add convenience but you can't possibly believe they make things possible that you can't do without them? And when they break, which is inevitable at some point, you have an expensive bill and possibly roadside assist to consider - thats my only concern.

 

[cookie]

You wouldn't set the suspension up on an enduro bike the same as you would a sports bike and on the LC your just a switch away its bloody fantastic.

it's not an enduro bike or even a sports bike though, is it?

 

[mcinlb]

Pointless Electronics -
It occurs to me that ever since 'they' did away with points ignition and fitted electronics / manual choke and fitted electronics / manual advance & retard and fitted electronics / carbs and fitted electronics there will have been "discussion" about same.
As far as manufacturers fitting all this stuff, some of it for safety and some for choice, they do it because they can regardless what the customer wants.
And eventually it becomes expected on all vehicles (whether we actually need or want it). I can't imagine a manufacturer producing a model without all the paraphernalia of there peers, it would'nt sell (see British motorcycle industry of 50s /60s etc.)
Just jumping on my V11 MG and back onto the GS shows the generation gap between such bikes and I'm glad to have it............

 

[Flipfly]

Pointless Electronics -
It occurs to me that ever since 'they' did away with points ignition and fitted electronics / manual choke and fitted electronics / manual advance & retard and fitted electronics / carbs and fitted electronics there will have been "discussion" about same.
As far as manufacturers fitting all this stuff, some of it for safety and some for choice, they do it because they can regardless what the customer wants.
And eventually it becomes expected on all vehicles (whether we actually need or want it). I can't imagine a manufacturer producing a model without all the paraphernalia of there peers, it would'nt sell (see British motorcycle industry of 50s /60s etc.)
Just jumping on my V11 MG and back onto the GS shows the generation gap between such bikes and I'm glad to have it............

I think you are confusing useful electronics, with pointless ones.

All the things you mention aren't really intrusive to your riding, they are passive systems that are there for reliability, size, weight etc. What the arguement is is against poorly developed "rider" aids which are intrusive to the riding experience and are mostly unnecessary.

I like my digital watch, but I would prefer it to be that.....a watch. I do not need it to tell my temperature, tell me the time in patagoogoo or change channels on the Television.

 

[REGS12]

Basic

Well I reckon my new toilet is fine without most of that interfering crap taking over. Isn't motorcycling all about being just a little bit outgoing and living slightly less boring? My fondest memories are of surviving tricky situations by learning to read the road. I'm an old fart now and still enjoy riding the perfect corner now and again or mastering a nasty situation. Those of you that expect electronics to save your soft arses are in for a painful awakening. Care and attention will always be the way to a long and painless life.
Cruise control, heated grips are great and ABS may help me one day, though I will have ridden badly if it needs to activate.
VW here in oz are finding out the expensive way about overuse of electronc management when its interference alarms the driver, causing all sorts of funny things to happen. I sincerely hope that ASC and traction management will prove to be a positive for owners of the mighty toilet.

 

[jonnyp]

I think you are confusing useful electronics, with pointless ones.

All the things you mention aren't really intrusive to your riding, they are passive systems that are there for reliability, size, weight etc. What the arguement is is against poorly developed "rider" aids which are intrusive to the riding experience and are mostly unnecessary.

I like my digital watch, but I would prefer it to be that.....a watch. I do not need it to tell my temperature, tell me the time in patagoogoo or change channels on the Television.

Flipfly, I've read your posts and to a point agree with some of what you have said but at the end of the day the 'pointless' electronic aids BMW have the 'ability' to fit to the WC, are only on the options list.. You don't have to have them. If you are like the Engineer, who for all the right reasons wants a bike to be basic or like me and a few others, want a few bells and whistles. We can have them.

I'm not sure exactly how many variants or permeations there are of the bike ( apart from the 3 stock versions + the base and options)

Could we get that from Honda, Yamaha, Guzzi or Ducati etc etc..probably not.

So is your post.... Pointless ?

Just my 2p!