jonnyp
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May be, like T iumph have enamed the 1050 Tige to the Tige Spo t... The new LC should be called the "G spo t"
Dam keyboa d... The r's missing !
Pointless electronics
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May be, like T iumph have enamed the 1050 Tige to the Tige Spo t... The new LC should be called the "G spo t"
Dam keyboa d... The r's missing !
The new GS is just the natural evolution of the original concept, it is still obviously a GS in that it can do both country and street and do it better than the 1150 and the previous 1200s.
As others have already said, each new generation of GS has been put down by some of the owners of the previous models and this time is no different.
It is hilarious to see how the 1200 air/oil cooled owners have developed exactly the same attitudes that the 1150 owners had towards them when the 1200 was launched.
As others have already said, each new generation of GS has been put down by some of the owners of the previous models and this time is no different.
It is hilarious to see how the 1200 air/oil cooled owners have developed exactly the same attitudes that the 1150 owners had towards them when the 1200 was launched.
And so it goes...
'Round, and 'round... and 'round...
Making BMW lots of lovely money!
And isn't that the 'owners duty'..?
And so it goes...
'Round, and 'round... and 'round...
Making BMW lots of lovely money!
And isn't that the 'owners duty'..?
Yup indeed.. and it's all good because the alternative is to stay in the past and believe that all was better, the problem with that is, which past? the 1200GS past?... the 1150GS past... the 1100GS past... the 100GS... past or the 80GS past - it is the nature of a large number of people to stay rooted with what they have become comfortable with, change disturbs them but without change (which is inevitable) we would all still be living in the dark ages.
The original post in this thread seems to have been lost somewhere along the line - it was about the electronic aids and wizardry in the new LC and whether or not they are pointless.
Having got a Hexhead with ESA/ASC/TPS etc etc., when it comes to my own, if and when, decision to buy the LC GSA, I won't be specifying a number of those as in my opinion they are a pointless exercise for me and that's based on experience. I won't be caring about residuals as I would be planning to keep the bike a long time depending on whether its reliable or not in the long term and if I can home service it. I would go with ABS and heated grips and that would be about all. There's no point for traction control on a bike only outputting 125bhp and I would put a decent set of shocks on the bike instead of ESA with the inherent horrendous cost of that when it goes tits up. Which it will at some point. For someone else however, all of these gizmo's might well be useful and thats fine for them also if thats what they prefer.
I agree with Flipfly in that there's a great bike underneath all the electronics because thats what I feel about my own Hexhead. A basic 1200GSA with ABS and a remap to sort the lean fueling is what I would have bought if I had known what I know now. If I can spec the same for an LC I will consider it.
Having got a Hexhead with ESA/ASC/TPS etc etc., when it comes to my own, if and when, decision to buy the LC GSA, I won't be specifying a number of those as in my opinion they are a pointless exercise for me and that's based on experience. I won't be caring about residuals as I would be planning to keep the bike a long time depending on whether its reliable or not in the long term and if I can home service it. I would go with ABS and heated grips and that would be about all. There's no point for traction control on a bike only outputting 125bhp and I would put a decent set of shocks on the bike instead of ESA with the inherent horrendous cost of that when it goes tits up. Which it will at some point. For someone else however, all of these gizmo's might well be useful and thats fine for them also if thats what they prefer.
I agree with Flipfly in that there's a great bike underneath all the electronics because thats what I feel about my own Hexhead. A basic 1200GSA with ABS and a remap to sort the lean fueling is what I would have bought if I had known what I know now. If I can spec the same for an LC I will consider it.
And there it is
I feel you may well be very pleased with your purchase (as long as the throttle mapping is smooth
).Shame that the dealers are unlikely to have a demo bike in that spec to try though
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This seems a fairly unbiased (if somewhat long) review by an existing bmw owner on the new model.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uwketqH8NDo
Personally, i view traction control and abs etc as positives, its good the bike is looking out for you (wheelies dont interest me) and power maps let you decide if you want to cool it (sport mode on my last bike was a bit edgey - 150bhp unleast abruptly and flat bars) , though suspension adjustable for road surface, riding style and pillion probably less important to me.
I dont own the new model but think the majority of changes they have introduced were inevitable, they seem to have the 'packs' down to a tee. Its still a gs, albeit one on acid.
Hail the digital era! You pays yer money you makes yer choice.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uwketqH8NDo
Personally, i view traction control and abs etc as positives, its good the bike is looking out for you (wheelies dont interest me) and power maps let you decide if you want to cool it (sport mode on my last bike was a bit edgey - 150bhp unleast abruptly and flat bars) , though suspension adjustable for road surface, riding style and pillion probably less important to me.
I dont own the new model but think the majority of changes they have introduced were inevitable, they seem to have the 'packs' down to a tee. Its still a gs, albeit one on acid.
Hail the digital era! You pays yer money you makes yer choice.
(as long as the throttle mapping is smooth
And that for me is likely to be the key, having spent hundreds on the 1200 Hexhead getting the fueling sorted for low speed pick up and control.
Maybe there's another factor here why so many are anti and others pro the electronic driver aids? I learnt my skills in the days before any such things, you know, when brakes were just crap, chassis flexed as much as Arnie's biceps and tyres were little better than hard plastic. The thing is, back then in the 70's we had no choice but we still rode our bikes flat out wherever we could. We learnt how to control skids and front wheel washouts the hard way. It was always just a bit of fun to light the rear wheel up on gravel whilst exiting the pub carpark to the delights of everyone watching, all hoping you'll stuff it up and fall off. So much so, that having learnt that skill (often the hard way) we don't require any artificial help to be able to deal with it. However, that learning experience has been denied those starting their riding careers in a relatively stale environment with all the changes to the test itself and the H&S changes now in place in whatever we do. The bikes now handle well out the box, tyres are super grippy and those that don't possess that skill will be well looked after by Messr's BMW and others with the electronic gizmos now featuring on so many bikes. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that the customers are different in their skill sets. One thing I do feel happier with though is ABS as to be honest I don't have enough faith in myself not to lock the front in an emergency situation.
So, if you agree with that you can see why these electronic gizmo's are pointless for some and not for others. As long as you can spec the bike to suit your experience and skill set (and the throttle mapping is smooth
) it doesn't matter.
And that for me is likely to be the key, having spent hundreds on the 1200 Hexhead getting the fueling sorted for low speed pick up and control.
Maybe there's another factor here why so many are anti and others pro the electronic driver aids? I learnt my skills in the days before any such things, you know, when brakes were just crap, chassis flexed as much as Arnie's biceps and tyres were little better than hard plastic. The thing is, back then in the 70's we had no choice but we still rode our bikes flat out wherever we could. We learnt how to control skids and front wheel washouts the hard way. It was always just a bit of fun to light the rear wheel up on gravel whilst exiting the pub carpark to the delights of everyone watching, all hoping you'll stuff it up and fall off. So much so, that having learnt that skill (often the hard way) we don't require any artificial help to be able to deal with it. However, that learning experience has been denied those starting their riding careers in a relatively stale environment with all the changes to the test itself and the H&S changes now in place in whatever we do. The bikes now handle well out the box, tyres are super grippy and those that don't possess that skill will be well looked after by Messr's BMW and others with the electronic gizmos now featuring on so many bikes. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that the customers are different in their skill sets. One thing I do feel happier with though is ABS as to be honest I don't have enough faith in myself not to lock the front in an emergency situation.
So, if you agree with that you can see why these electronic gizmo's are pointless for some and not for others. As long as you can spec the bike to suit your experience and skill set (and the throttle mapping is smooth
I'm not sure it's an experience thing, I'm sure plenty of LC owners will be longer in the tooth than me.
My off roading has give me the power not to panic when things get squirrelly, but tbh a front wheel on diesel is a front wheel on diesel
I don't believe any of this electrickery (other than ABS) is any more than salesmans fodder to spout out, and for the masses to follow spouting out after the purchase is made.
In the real world it will only save a goon who is ham fisted. A normal rider would never need it, but it cuts in anyway on a dry road because the front wheel has gone light
On a diesel soaked roundabout your eyes and nose will help you, all the asc esa tc etc won't matter a jot.
That's why they are pointless, and possibly dangerous as some will think that these rider aid are their saviour for bad riding technique.
This isn't really aimed soley at the GS. Lets face it, pretty much every bike from a 12bhp scooter will have these aids soon.
It might be valid on a 260bhp motogp bike, but even they dial in a little wheelspin and a little wheelie action
Just because something is newer and different, doesn't automatically mean it's better.
And that applies to anything.
You buy and use what you like regardless of it's age.
I haven't ridden my 1150GS for over three years. I've been riding a 1978 guzzi and a 22 year old harley.
It's what I want to ride, it's what i currently enjoy riding.
I don't think your new GS is better than my guzzi or harley. Or i'd be riding one.
I'm not saying it's not as good as my bikes.
It's all down to choice.
And i can see from this thread that the new LC owners are just as fascist in their blinkered views as the old GS riders.
Ergo, not so different after all.
Just because something is newer and different, doesn't automatically mean it's better.
And that applies to anything.
You buy and use what you like regardless of it's age.
I haven't ridden my 1150GS for over three years. I've been riding a 1978 guzzi and a 22 year old harley.
It's what I want to ride, it's what i currently enjoy riding.
I don't think your new GS is better than my guzzi or harley. Or i'd be riding one.
I'm not saying it's not as good as my bikes.
It's all down to choice.
And i can see from this thread that the new LC owners are just as fascist in their blinkered views as the old GS riders.
Ergo, not so different after all.
That would be true but for the fact that I covet your old Guzzi and Harley
Ummmmmmm
I don't get it! I thought it was a cracking bike. My demo bike had a clutch as light as a feather and the modulation between drive and clutch in / out was silky silky smooth.
I also found the fly by wire throttle fine
And then there are the variations that you can over-ride - just 'cos you (one - not you Flip
So I don't agree with the 'the bike decides not you'. I can over rule or at least alter pretty much anything if I chose to
JB complains that the GS is too much of a road bike now.
It's a feckin' brilliant road bike nowAnd it'll still do all the off road stuff you want (look at the thing being thrashed off road in the pro mo vid, look at Pavey in Wales..).
I dunno what yer all complaining about
Biking, how you ride, how you use yer throttle, whether you get caught speeding or not, how smoothly you use yer throttle .... That's in yer head, not the bit between yer legs ...
agreed, there is absolutely no problem with the throttle, sensitive yes but easy to control and agreed by five other LC owners that I know. I find it hard to understand where he's coming fromon that one. However I am glad that the LC is not for every one, I don't want everyone riding the same bike as me.
Mate, it's the same owners. They like to grumble for 5 years till they can eventually afford one. Then they grumble at the next one... And the cycle repeats lol
Don't tar us all with the same brush!
Most of us are very happy with our bikes & will be very happy to trade in for a Wasserhead when the time is right.
And the luddites don't so much resent the new bike, but more the way the whole GS scene has gone mainstream.
And you can't blame 'em for that!
Ok lets evaluate that shall we.
I have a household income of 65k+ before tax, a 350 p/m mortagage, a company car, wife drives an audi A6 allroad (55 plate that we've owned for 2 1/2 years). We don't like depreciation as it's wasted money. Nothing we own is on credit apart from the house and the credit card bill is cleared every month.
The value of my current bike ensemble is around 6.5k.
How rich do you have to be to own this new GS?
Comments like "you can't afford one" make you sound like an arrogant little prick. Maybe that's another reason for not buying one if all the owners are like you!
Thankfully not all the owners are like you and I am sure many of them are thinking the same as me.
Your new GS has all that at hand in its dynamic mode. And for those occasions that you do want to go a bit mental, have that razor sharp throttle, be a bit of a hooligan, scratch it with yer mates and pop the front up coming out of a roundabout ... you've got it
We can all buy the same bike, and morph it how we want; from nutter bastard with all the safety on to cruising old timer (thats you JB) to nutter bastard with all the traction control / anti wheelie stuff turned off. The choice is all yours.
If I want wheelie mode, I'll turn off the TCS, and if I want Fanum's 'something missing' mode, (the very 'can't put it into words' thing that you old skool boys are banging on about), I can still have that too - rain mode ain't to ridiculed at on this bike.
Come on .... We've got a bike for every body here haven't we ..
And better still, we've got a bike for every mood too.
+1
As Flip says, that is a statement of an arrogant prick & a weak argument to boot
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That's more like it
When I bought my first new GS they were far from mainstream
They were weird, quirky & different - but they were excellent 2 wheel travelling machines
There were no Twat suits ( we did have Rukka but they weren't mainstream either
)There was no Touratech
Wunderlich operated from a shed by a railway line & were more famous for developing performance parts for the mighty XT500
Wudo were the BMW aftermarket parts & styling creators
Crud catchers would have been frowned on
Metal boxes for panniers were not mass market & if fitted would have been made in the shed, at home
Plastic panniers were all the choice you had, but at least they didn't leak
GPS wasn't invented, so not used & thus maps were the tourists friend
Modes were of the Depeche variety, but not bluetoothed via an IPod
Life wasn't all bad though
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