R1200GSA 2009 FInal drive Noise..??

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Hi All

I am currently traveling in Argentina on my moto.. have just made it to Ushuaia(where you cant get anything bike related) and have come up against a strange noise from my final drive unit

video noise here - https://vimeo.com/56626611

Back ground:- have now done 75,000 miles around the world and bike has run great.. no real problems until now.

I had the bearings changed in Colombia only 12,000 miles ago I was there at the time to oversea it to make sure this was done properly

now i have taken off the rear brake caliper.. still the same noise..

i have taken off the Shaft and checked it and re lubed both splines front and back... still the same noise...

there is only a faint creak/squeak when on the center stand rotating the the rear wheel.. when you sit on or add weight to the back(panniers) it gets much louder..

any info or suggestions would be gratefully appreciated..

cheers all

James
 
Thats a helluva noise to find way down in Ushaiia

Suggestion Take off the wheel and check for debris between the disc mount and the Final drive

Are you sure it's "in" the final drive and not something catching the wheel'tyre like the shock protector maybe

Sorry if that sounds stupid but I haven;t heard an FD make that sort of a sound before wierd too that it gets louder the more weight

Have you any play in the bearings?? Maybe somethings giving up and the speed sensor is pushing hard against the ABS ring???

Just thoughts

Good Luck with whatever you need to get you mobile again
 
Just listened again

Take out the speed sensor and check and see if the abs sensor ring has a wear mark on it

It's the only thing I can think would make that playing card on the spokes sort of sound???
 
:nenau (but posting my ignorance at least pushes your post to tthe top of the list!)

That does sound like two tight surfaces moving over each other (like something is Waaay toooo tight). Is the bearing seized and the race moving in the housing :eek: ??
 
That is not a pleasant noise from you rear-end.

Just becasue yo oversaw the bearing being fitted doesn't necessarily mean that they are not fooba'ed ... Did you use BMW parts, or patterns? And did they do both sides, or just one that had failed? The other one may be up for attention now?

It does sound like a bearing, I know you are not really surrounded by facilities, but have you got a source of oil for the FD? Might be worth dropping the oil to make sure you have got some, and that it is not contaminated by water/dust?

I have had two shafts go, both times they sounded worse with a bit of weight on the bike- but nothing like that.

It sounds like you have learnt the art of getting the shaft back on again? Perhaps you could drop that out again and realy check those UJs for dryness, play and sticking...

I did have a Pyramid hugger that fouled the tyre and made noise of a similar frequency, again only with weight on the bike; but it was it as metallic as that sounds.

Wish you luck with it
 
Just heard the noise and thought someone had started a two stroke at first not what you would expect from a final drive
 
That sounds like something in contact with the ABS ring, either that or the hinge on your huge top box lid needs a bit of 3in1 :D
 
Ushia

While your thee get down to some of the resturaunts try some of the sausages
brilliant as good as their steaks!!! making me fell hungry and jumping on a plane just thinking about it!. Take a boat trip to "see the penguins" on a little island off the coast, wrap up warm as it's bloody cold!! but very memorable just like being with Scott or Shacklton, make you relalize what brave men the were.
Dave GS (of the Antartic!), (who also can't spel!).
 
Hey Dave...

Have been here for the last 2 weeks.. done the Food(oh it's good but pricey), Went to the penguin island a couple of days ago even saw A couple of King Penguins..very cool..

but now strange creaking noise..??? damn it..
 
Hey guys.. thanks for the replys

is the abs ring inside the FD housing.. i cant see anything on the outside.. i know where the speed sensor is.. is this also the ABS sensor

thanks

James
 
musicrunsthru said:
Hey guys.. thanks for the replys

is the abs ring inside the FD housing.. i cant see anything on the outside.. i know where the speed sensor is.. is this also the ABS sensor

thanks

James
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Yes and Yes, the ABS/speed sensor castellated ring is machined onto the back face of the crownwheel inside the FD.

As already stated, bike on centrestand and remove the wheel then check that nothing is jammed up behind the disk mounting flange.

You state it gets louder under load, sadly thats a typical symptom of a failed (or failing) bearing.
 
I've listened to the vimeo clip several times and if I would suspect a bearing has seized and the noise you hear is the bearing outer race rotating within the casting housing making the fretting metallic noise you hear.

Obviously theres only one way to know for sure and thats a strip down, not something you can do easily in a remote location.

Is there any way to get someone to transport your bike to an urban area where more help might be available eg a local with a pickup truck? I don't think riding the bike any further will be a safe bet.
 
Tunneruk said:
That sounds like something in contact with the ABS ring, either that or the hinge on your huge top box lid needs a bit of 3in1 :D
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That was my first thought too.

Hope so, as my next thought was something expensive broken up inside.
 
crumbles said:
So what happened to this one.

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318015
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well that's a different story.. basically the cams followers(rocker arms) in the engine were seized.. and had to be rebuilt this happened when i was in Brazil..

this is my friends bike(i am not that rich)..

as it turns out the chimp who installed the engine back together for her in Chile. had not set the engine to top dead center before setting the timing chain back on it.. causing it to be way out in valve timing and basically screwed the engine...

but we had parts shipped in from Paraguay to Brazil as KTM does not officially exist there any more.. took about 3 weeks i fitted all the necessary bits and reset the timing chain.. works like a good'un now.. :thumb
 
Ok Lads update on the following

have looked at every part of the hub as it spins... nothing catching or stuck

checked between the Wheel hub and the FD Flange, even cleaned it all out with a gentle tooth brush scrub.. (will taste good later)

have just taken off the ABS/Speedsensor to see if that did the trick... short answer..no same noise present..

the only thing i can think that is left is that bearing is seized and the race moving in the housing.. which is not good...

QUestion PLS... i have been in Hot Temps(upto 42oC for about the last 8 months and now have made the Trip down to Bottom of Argey where it's only 4oC.. would this have made the Bearing Races Contract do you think..... I.E if i were to take some heat to the FD Housing Where i thought the Sound Is coming from would this Cure it maybe..

The strange thing is it runs fine drives straight.. still pulls.. ???
 
Are you 100% sure it is the Final Drive making the sound??

If it was a seized bearing in the casing you should see a LOT of alloy contamination in the oil It's gotta be worth going back to basics and draining the oil for a look Strain it thru some stockings just in case you can;t get any more

I'd not like to suggest anything as it could be bad doo doo not having seen touched or heard it in reality but back to basics and strip and clean what you can to have a Bloody GOOD look!

What is the input shaft play like there should be VERY minimal eccentric (out of centreline) play

I can't remember 100% but can't you remove the speed sensor and the bolts around the insidem circlip ion the other side and lift out the axle shaft (Obviously somewhere clean) that will allow you to see the crownwheel and the pinion and the inner race to for excessive wear marks or misaligned contact marks on gears or some thing of that ilk Confirming the FD is needing replaced or fixed!

You do not want that locking in the jungle or mountain route somewhere!

Can you get any UPS mail or shipments to you down there? There's a couple of folks on here with Final drives ready to go Are there any other similar bikes to yours around Maybe you could swop on their Final drive to test I mean you don't even have to really open anything up But that would lay the FD area to bed as the fault?
 
IS the noise definitely from the Final Drive??

Yup Looks like all the bits of mine still lying in the box waiting a few quid to put it together again

I can see the pinion bearing and needle bearing all there two side bearings and the pivots and bolt and bush are there too

Be worth checking the input shaft for excessive play Methinks as you would feel excessive play via the rear wheel
 
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