This ^^^^^^
A cautionary tale when bolting all manner of shite to your expensive WC
Gives BMW an easy option to decline a warranty claim
Hope Delboy is listening
Unlikely as he’s stuck on ‘Transmit’....
R1250GS Clutch Failure
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Unlikely as he’s stuck on ‘Transmit’....
This ^^^^^^
A cautionary tale when bolting all manner of shite to your expensive WC
Gives BMW an easy option to decline a warranty claim
Hope Delboy is listening
No matter what the actual cause this is without doubt correct
Then, you make a claim on the warranty of the supplier of said farkles.This ^^^^^^
A cautionary tale when bolting all manner of shite to your expensive WC
Gives BMW an easy option to decline a warranty claim
Hope Delboy is listening
It's quite simple, if A causes B to break, then claim is against A.
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The pushrod on the bmw is adjustable or at least is on my 1200 as I’ve adjusted it on mine to alter the bite point.
The QS works with the clutch switch which is only activated by lever movement. If the pushrod is too far out it makes no difference to the lever position so the qs action won’t change. it just puts constant pressure on the piston because it’s restricting the internal stroke of the piston.
The dealer will unlikely know about pushrod Adjustment because oems are not allowed to supply individual parts for the m/c ( apart from superficial items) for liability reasons. So a dealer can only supply a complete lever (with pushrod pre installed and adjusted at the factory) or a complete m/c etc. So they would never need to adjust it.
The variable is a new third party lever which potentially required adjustment from the oem pushrod length. My old m/c had Pazzo levers on it and have gone back to oem levers now. Had to wind the pushrod in about half a turn with the oem levers to have the correct free play.
The QS works with the clutch switch which is only activated by lever movement. If the pushrod is too far out it makes no difference to the lever position so the qs action won’t change. it just puts constant pressure on the piston because it’s restricting the internal stroke of the piston.
The dealer will unlikely know about pushrod Adjustment because oems are not allowed to supply individual parts for the m/c ( apart from superficial items) for liability reasons. So a dealer can only supply a complete lever (with pushrod pre installed and adjusted at the factory) or a complete m/c etc. So they would never need to adjust it.
The variable is a new third party lever which potentially required adjustment from the oem pushrod length. My old m/c had Pazzo levers on it and have gone back to oem levers now. Had to wind the pushrod in about half a turn with the oem levers to have the correct free play.
It is the old legal thing, never admit liability. Politicians make a carreer doing it.
cookrwc
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I should know, I trained as a Barrister - there may be a claim worth pursuing but I won’t pursue it I’d it’ll cost more than the current bill - legal costs and all.
The lever suppliers should make customers aware of pushrod issues but I’ve yet to see a lever supplier mention it. I’ve read several instances of accidents where it’s been the front brake pushrod that’s been incorrect and they have locked on. So in the scheme of things, better it was the clutch and not the brake.
i have pics of the pushrod and it’s adjustment if you want to show them to the dealer.
Trying to make it stick is the problem
Especially when the fitter is the rider
Good luck with that one
cookrwc
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I asked them about pushrod and they basically denied any adjustment in their service catalogue - so pushing it uphill from a dealer perspective. Not really expecting much luck from Motea that would be worth pursuing from a risk / cost perspective, which I’d course is part of their calculation.
One thing that just occurred to me is that to remove the clutch rod from the lever you have to completely unwind the rod from its mounting barrel, remove the barrel and reverse the process. Hence why it’s easy to not refit it correctly.
So if the dealer has no idea how to adjust the pushrod, and there is no service info from bmw, how will he correctly fit it to your original levers ?
That's why there is the small claims court, it comes down to balance of probabilities.
Ultimately whom the Judge judges most truthful.
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And having experience of both sides I wouldn't rely on a judge with no mechanical understanding to make a call.
BTW, is there such a thing as a 'small claims court'?
cookrwc
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Well, I think I have been as transparent as it is possible to be
cookrwc
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And yes, there is a small claims procedure under the civil procedure rules but like all courts it’s not about justice, it’s about what you can evidence.
oddjob
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AKA Dell The Bell-end strikes again. 
If it were me I would put this one down to experience foot the bill and move on. Life is hard enough for lots of folks just now. Unless you have very deep pockets and plenty time this could easily become an obsession. I would rather spend that time riding my bike.
Good Luck whatever you decide and enjoy the bike when you get it back.
Good Luck whatever you decide and enjoy the bike when you get it back.
Delboy777
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The bike manufacturer says “our stuff is fine, must be the lever”. Then the lever manufacturer says “our levers are fine, lots of people use them with no problem, must be the bike”. Now you’re stuck in the middle, and that’s before they both start saying it was fitted or used incorrectly.
Small claims court isn’t going choose between that lot - been there, done that ... had a replacement engine fitted to a car which promptly blew up. Garage blamed reconditioned engine company, engine company said garage must have fitted it wrong - I ended up paying them both and still had a non functioning car
i was going to write a detailed argument for and against the op's case, but thought fuck it
for what it's worth, my moneys on the bike has been standing over winter, and the clutch plates were stuck / gummed together
the op took the bike out gave it the beans, and the clutch couldn't cope.
given we dont know the OP's mileage, service history & riding style...
Fitting the levers effectively voided the warranty
and sadly the clutch is a consumable item. it has been consumed.
I'd say the best the op can hope for, is a goodwill gesture. plastering it over social media wont do his cause any help though
for what it's worth, my moneys on the bike has been standing over winter, and the clutch plates were stuck / gummed together
the op took the bike out gave it the beans, and the clutch couldn't cope.
given we dont know the OP's mileage, service history & riding style...
Fitting the levers effectively voided the warranty and sadly the clutch is a consumable item. it has been consumed.
I'd say the best the op can hope for, is a goodwill gesture. plastering it over social media wont do his cause any help though
The bike manufacturer says “our stuff is fine, must be the lever”. Then the lever manufacturer says “our levers are fine, lots of people use them with no problem, must be the bike”. Now you’re stuck in the middle, and that’s before they both start saying it was fitted or used incorrectly.
Small claims court isn’t going choose between that lot - been there, done that ... had a replacement engine fitted to a car which promptly blew up. Garage blamed reconditioned engine company, engine company said garage must have fitted it wrong - I ended up paying them both and still had a non functioning car
I bet if the op reads the paperwork that came with the levers there will be an exclusion clause indemnifying the manufacture against any subsequent loss due to fitting the part
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