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R1300GS / the good the bad & the ugly
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First one weighed 256.5kg
What does a 1250 TE actually weigh? or a 1290ADV?
And how accurate are the scales ?
so heavier than the outgoing 1250 which has a claimed wet/fuelled weight of 249.5 Kg?
So the new "lighter" GS1300 is heavier than the "heavier" 1250? Confused...you soon will be
.Is it just me, or does the new headlamp share a resemblance to the Jeep tail lights? (which I also hate the looks of). It's still not growing on me. I don't think it ever will tbh.
I wonder how reliable the quoted 0-60 figures are because despite the table quoted in post #468, other sites have tested differently for the 1200 and the 1250. I never pay too much attention to those figures, as midrange surge is where it's at for the road and even the old 1200 has plenty for effortless overtakes. Doubtless the new kid on the block will be more impressive but that does that make it "better" unless you judge the outgoing models as "not enough."
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Add to that the 1200lc was supposed to be 238kg I’ll stick with my 1200 for now.
It's all smoke and mirrors, innit. Given the number of options which all add weight (centre stand, anyone?) I'm guessing the quoted weight is the base model. No electric screen, handguard extenders, centre stand, pannier mount gear, top box plate, GPS prep, the full monty.
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Doesn’t really matter does it?
It’s how it feels when you ride it that matters
A goldwing weighs 390 kg
Go ride one at walking pace and see if it feels heavy
It’s how it feels when you ride it that matters
A goldwing weighs 390 kg
Go ride one at walking pace and see if it feels heavy
Yes yes yes it really does matter.
Weight is CRITICAL. Thats why a tosser will spend £800 on an Akra to save a kilo. Makes a huge difference even if he does have a 10kg possible weight saving right in front of him, obscuring the view of his cock.
Weight most certainly matters where handling and braking are concerned. It's not all about slow speed feel. Low C of G helps but ride a 50Kg lighter middleweight and you'll soon see how much more flickable and responsive it feels.
Not want you want to find after riding your new bike home 
Holy moly. Also I have never seen headers go that blue, that quick.
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Looks like plastic melted on to them
At a guess the shop left some transport packing/protection on them
At a guess the shop left some transport packing/protection on them
That's the first thing I thought too.
Wonder if he'll put a video up on monday to say he's run over a plastic bag.
Cancelled my bike just incase
Cancelled my bike just incase
Still no comparison 1250 vs 1300 GS in europes biggest moto mag Motorrad…Makes me wonder ? Met a BMW instructor on the road who was vacationing / riding in mexico who said a few interesting things about the engine being fast and the frame lighter and smaller and of course cheaper to manufacture and sturdier than a aluminum frame…The smaller tank he said is a stupid marketing ploy to less weight as also leaving the center stand and luggage rack off which have become options…
The real gains from the evidence so far put forward are more power and grunt across the rev range, slightly nimbler handling and errr...that's it? Heavier, more expensive and some thigs which used to be optional are standard, other things which should be standard are now optional. I doubt it's moved the game on. Others have done that in various areas but I guess it remains the benchmark being better at some things and not as good as others. For it to be a winner imho, what will matter, is quality. It has to prove more reliable and dependable than the opposition. This is one main area which people who buy outright and hold onto a bike values above top trump figures.
Some interesting reports coming out from new Tiger 1200 owners starting to emerge. That was heralded by journos as the best yet, but the weight of opinion by new owners is that whilst slightly more nimble, the new motor strips away the one abiding plus the old model had, the peachy smooth 120 crank motor. It was the best thing about the one I had. I can't help but wonder how many new owners after extended ownership may think the 1300 boxer has gone one step forwards but also a step back in some regards? The positive thing from reports here though is those who've ridden one are convinced enough to put their money down on one despite the "no real weight advantage" news.
Some interesting reports coming out from new Tiger 1200 owners starting to emerge. That was heralded by journos as the best yet, but the weight of opinion by new owners is that whilst slightly more nimble, the new motor strips away the one abiding plus the old model had, the peachy smooth 120 crank motor. It was the best thing about the one I had. I can't help but wonder how many new owners after extended ownership may think the 1300 boxer has gone one step forwards but also a step back in some regards? The positive thing from reports here though is those who've ridden one are convinced enough to put their money down on one despite the "no real weight advantage" news.
Have you test ridden one yet , I ask, as before I decided to try one my initial thoughts were negative with certain things and I read a lot of articles etc. It was the test that made me realise that the new bike has more to offer than my current 1250 in many ways.
More power , modern looks , better suspension , lighter and very nimble , better rider aids etc. The bike really needs to be ridden to get an idea of the changes rather than a summary of others thoughts. I feel for me the the change was needed and overdue as the old bikes a bit stuck in its ways. My second test ride was booked for a couple of hours , it was dry , and road it on better roads and after 45 mins I was convinced I have done the correct thing and cant wait to get it this month.
The one thing I noticed most was the balance the chassis has and it just suits me.
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A lot of the problem is a lot of people don’t want bikes that do all that, they want the presence of a big bike that they can sit up high on and look down on the world with. I agree with Morety though, reliability is high on the list. I still love my old GS and unfortunately not in a position to change it at the moment. I’m going to wait till march and see if the F900gs suits what I do better, will be a close call I think.
I loved my GS’s but at the thick end of my 50’s, I thought to myself that I needed a slightly smaller, nimbler bike. I took out a triumph gt900 in September, almost bought one, but the the f900gs appeared and seemed like the perfect fit. Went to the dealer, got a trade in price for my current 1250rs (not brilliant tbf) and put a deposit on one, nearly 16k for the 900 with decent options. Then the 13 appeared in the flesh. Did a 3 hour test ride in dry conditions, and that was it. Feels like a 900 in every way, but isn’t. Reliability is a worry to be fair, but fuck it, like someone else said, BMW will sort it - YOLO.
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