Rejected Toilets

[DING-DONG]

Same position as nutty. It's a lot better feeling than the one I have now.

Strange you should say that, my 13 bike felt like it had more go than my 14 bike but that's a lemon now also.

Not disclosing the reg no ! i would not disclose mine out of respect for the dealer whom preferred me not to and loyalty works both ways, yet again I'm having to call upon this and yet again I'm getting looked after.

 

[Titto]

Precisely mate. 100% agree.

 

[APE]

I would be seriously unhappy if I paid BMW prices for a nearly new bike and found out it was a reject regardless of work done.

This is a good lesson for second hand buyers - ask for confirmation it isn't a lemon before you buy it. Bit cheeky for those on here to say there should be no problem - why didn't you have the work done and keep the original bike yourself ?!

 

[Nutty]

I would be seriously unhappy if I paid BMW prices for a nearly new bike and found out it was a reject regardless of work done.

This is a good lesson for second hand buyers - ask for confirmation it isn't a lemon before you buy it. Bit cheeky for those on here to say there should be no problem - why didn't you have the work done and keep the original bike yourself ?!

Because we'd paid full retail price for a brand new bike

 

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Because we'd paid full retail price for a brand new bike

And paying a couple of k less for a secondhand rebuilt bike is ok ? I have no issue with them reselling them as long as they advertise it as a rejected bike and priced accordingly - which they won't ....

 

[Deleted account 200123001]

Reading this has taken all the pride out of owning and riding a BMW. It's utterly shameful what's going on. It worries me that in 10yrs ish time when these are around my price range it's going to be a careful deliberation as to whether to take the risk or not in buying another gs.
Sad fact is that since 2005ish it seems problems in most of the range are rife.

 

[Nutty]

And paying a couple of k less for a secondhand rebuilt bike is ok ? I have no issue with them reselling them as long as they advertise it as a rejected bike and priced accordingly - which they won't ....

They obviously wouldn't advertise it, that would make no sense. Anyone buying a second hand bike from BMW can check all the service/ recalls/ warranty work before they hand over their money. If they don't ask, then find out later, then more fool them, but the dealer will point it out at the time of sale, if asked.

 

[Captain Black]

Strange you should say that, my 13 bike felt like it had more go than my 14 bike but that's a lemon now also.

Not disclosing the reg no ! i would not disclose mine out of respect for the dealer whom preferred me not to and loyalty works both ways, yet again I'm having to call upon this and yet again I'm getting looked after.

So just for accuracy BMW sell you a new bike that's unfit for purpose. They then sell the same bike to someone else and you think you owe them loyalty ?

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

So just for accuracy BMW sell you a new bike that's unfit for purpose. They then sell the same bike to someone else and you think you owe them loyalty ?

Exactly my thoughts too, well said

 

[andysdad]

And paying a couple of k less for a secondhand rebuilt bike is ok ? I have no issue with them reselling them as long as they advertise it as a rejected bike and priced accordingly - which they won't ....

Yebbut - if it is fixed it is fixed. As a previous poster said, you ride then decide. If the gear-change is clunky, you walk away. You should ask for the warranty history for that bike (although I didn't!, but I do have an Approved Used Warranty....)

The warranty exists to fix these issues, the problem with new models is that the fix hasn't been designed yet so it takes more time to sort out. In today's market customers don't want to wait as long as they once did, hence all the friction we see on posts like this.

There is no pile of rejected bikes (or cars); eventually they get fixed and sold on. If a characteristic is still noticeable, usually there is customer somewhere out there who accepts it at the right price. BTW for those who don't know, a "characteristic" is manufacturer-speak for a behaviour by the vehicle that cannot be changed, e.g. Servo ABS makes a whining noise on 1150s; some customers complain but there is no solution (yes, I know, take it off, yada-yada).

IMHO BMW treats customers well but I agree there seem to be too many major issues with too many models, especially for a brand with a reputation like BM. Another thread mentioned the difference between German and Japanese approaches which summed it up well; German companies are engineer-led whereas Japanese companies are sales-led.

A

 

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Reading this has taken all the pride out of owning and riding a BMW. It's utterly shameful what's going on. It worries me that in 10yrs ish time when these are around my price range it's going to be a careful deliberation as to whether to take the risk or not in buying another gs.
Sad fact is that since 2005ish it seems problems in most of the range are rife.

Simple just give the 2013 a miss and buy a 2014

 

[FatAl]

Yebbut - if it is fixed it is fixed. As a previous poster said, you ride then decide. If the gear-change is clunky, you walk away. You should ask for the warranty history for that bike (although I didn't!, but I do have an Approved Used Warranty....)

The warranty exists to fix these issues, the problem with new models is that the fix hasn't been designed yet so it takes more time to sort out. In today's market customers don't want to wait as long as they once did, hence all the friction we see on posts like this.

There is no pile of rejected bikes (or cars); eventually they get fixed and sold on. If a characteristic is still noticeable, usually there is customer somewhere out there who accepts it at the right price. BTW for those who don't know, a "characteristic" is manufacturer-speak for a behaviour by the vehicle that cannot be changed, e.g. Servo ABS makes a whining noise on 1150s; some customers complain but there is no solution (yes, I know, take it off, yada-yada).

IMHO BMW treats customers well but I agree there seem to be too many major issues with too many models, especially for a brand with a reputation like BM. Another thread mentioned the difference between German and Japanese approaches which summed it up well; German companies are engineer-led whereas Japanese companies are sales-led.

A

The way BMW quality has deteriorated over the years I would suggest that BMW are no longer engineer led. I have a feeling it's the marketing people and accountants who have the biggest say.
It used to be said that engineers and scientists were the pinnacle of the pecking order in Germany (they may still be) however looking at the way Mercedes had quality issues some years ago (allegedly due to the engineers being put on the back seat and accountants being given the reins) I think things may be changing in Germany. I think that is part of the problem with UK industry......marketing and accountancy having the biggest voice.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

IMHO BMW treats customers well but I agree there seem to be too many major issues with too many models, especially for a brand with a reputation like BM. Another thread mentioned the difference between German and Japanese approaches which summed it up well; German companies are engineer-led whereas Japanese companies are sales-led.

A

I'll have some of what you're drinking

Because you're dreaming

 

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They obviously wouldn't advertise it, that would make no sense. Anyone buying a second hand bike from BMW can check all the service/ recalls/ warranty work before they hand over their money. If they don't ask, then find out later, then more fool them, but the dealer will point it out at the time of sale, if asked.

Sorry don't agree - the dealer has done you a favour at the expense of a future customer. Trying to keep exisitng customers happy without a care for the punter that will get lumbered with your old shitter. If you are spending top money in a BMW dealer I don't think you should have to ask 101 questions. Many buyers don't read these forums and wouldn't think to ask.

Of course none of this is your problem but I would avoid buying any WC secondhand without doing a lot of research. Replacement engines and chassis are not minor repairs.

 

[Melch]

Reading this has taken all the pride out of owning and riding a BMW. It's utterly shameful what's going on. It worries me that in 10yrs ish time when these are around my price range it's going to be a careful deliberation as to whether to take the risk or not in buying another gs.
Sad fact is that since 2005ish it seems problems in most of the range are rife.

Try not to worry, it's bad for you. BMW are not the only brand. There are many others out there without the same reliability problems that BM are currently suffering.

 

[patzx12]

There is no major diference between an early 13 bike and a late 14 bike. BMW didnt redesign or retool, there are some minor tweeks but its the same bike. Waiting for the 15 bike and expecting something drastic improvment isnt going to happen.
The 2004 r1200gs launch model are great bikes and well sorted now i bet most of them are still buzzing around

 

[Deleted account 200123001]

Simple just give the 2013 a miss and buy a 2014

I'm not so sure that there are not more problems lurking.

I'm memory serves when I had my heart set on a blue and white k1200s that and it's sister k1200gt were suffering transmission issues possibly in the 20k+ range. The risk put me right off and decided to stay away.

So I'm not convinced that something ugly won't rear it's head as the bike matures.

 

[patzx12]

You can over plan \ over think it and not buy anything. It depends on if you buy for practical reasons or not. I had a 2007 GT, the gearchange was crap but did some massive Euro trips at big speeds. 25k miles and then got a good trade in for a Twin cam GSA. Job done.

I'm not so sure that there are not more problems lurking.

I'm memory serves when I had my heart set on a blue and white k1200s that and it's sister k1200gt were suffering transmission issues possibly in the 20k+ range. The risk put me right off and decided to stay away.

So I'm not convinced that something ugly won't rear it's head as the bike matures.

 

[Engineer]

Simple just give the 2013 a miss and buy a 2014

My March 2013 has done 17,000 miles and is still going strong - if it fails I'll let you know - I reckon that because I was a very early adopter they gave me a specially checked out bike, rather than the Chinese copies that you Johnny come latelys a got

 

[DING-DONG]

So just for accuracy BMW sell you a new bike that's unfit for purpose. They then sell the same bike to someone else and you think you owe them loyalty ?

Yeah they sold me a bike that's unfit for purpose, at the time neither did they no this, my contract is with my dealer and not BMW HQ and my dealer looks after me ££££-comp(out the dealers pocket) and a new bike - rejected bike has all the issues done under warranty and than sold on via the BMW dealer in house auction, what they do with it or sell it too is there business and not mine now.