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The man without a plan, apart from the one about taking a nation to the roulette table
RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN !
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The man without a plan, apart from the one about taking a nation to the roulette table
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Well that was an excellent 'balanced' view of the situation wasn't it?
It seems to me that Mr Salmond is very good at telling everybody how much better the Scottish nation will be when independant, but there is very little substance in what he really says.
I'm quite happy with the UK as it is now. However if the vote goes to a 'Yes' then it seems to me that the rest of the UK is being told to bog-off.
If that is the case then we, (the rest of the UK) should allow Scotland to sink or swim as it is able.
Under those circumstances I really don't see any good reason why I should be expected to assist an Independant Scotland any more that I should be expected to assist an independant Pakistan or Nigeris for instance.
It seems to me that Mr Salmond is very good at telling everybody how much better the Scottish nation will be when independant, but there is very little substance in what he really says.
I'm quite happy with the UK as it is now. However if the vote goes to a 'Yes' then it seems to me that the rest of the UK is being told to bog-off.
If that is the case then we, (the rest of the UK) should allow Scotland to sink or swim as it is able.
Under those circumstances I really don't see any good reason why I should be expected to assist an Independant Scotland any more that I should be expected to assist an independant Pakistan or Nigeris for instance.
The man without a plan, apart from the one about taking a nation to the roulette table
They have had years and years to present the Scots with a plan for independence but all they offer is pish and wind and try to feed the silly sense of grievance some Scots have. RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN! Ffs
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A la Toddy
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Arse.................
" YES WE CAN " the very words used by Alex the defender as he says Scotland WILL use the pound................where on earth does he get that from, God knows.
His attitude to his own importance in this debate beggars belief, he tells us we will have the pound and be members of the European union...........wake up and smell the coffee as they used to say. Alex Salmond is the greatest asset to the no campaign. His feet must be full of holes.
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" YES WE CAN " the very words used by Alex the defender as he says Scotland WILL use the pound................where on earth does he get that from, God knows.
His attitude to his own importance in this debate beggars belief, he tells us we will have the pound and be members of the European union...........wake up and smell the coffee as they used to say. Alex Salmond is the greatest asset to the no campaign. His feet must be full of holes.
Shinyface
Surely now no-one could ever believe anything he says How can he truly wants independence, AND insist on using the currency AND fiscal management of another nation?? Muppetry indeed.
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Well gerarddwatts my bikey friend I could have told everyone that from when I worked and lived in Peterhead in the 90's. it was his face on his surgery window it reminded me of someone from an old western film who was going to sell you snake oil cures.
Yo fishy!!
I know that, you know that, and I think most voters know that. Just to persuade the 'at all costs/any cost' zealots....
I know that, you know that, and I think most voters know that. Just to persuade the 'at all costs/any cost' zealots....
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Salmond 'This charge - let us call it the George tax - would be impossible to sell to English business.'
Well they just bought it. CBI and IoD leaders both agree that transaction costs would be preferable to an unstable currency union.[/FONT]
Well they just bought it. CBI and IoD leaders both agree that transaction costs would be preferable to an unstable currency union.[/FONT]
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How's Toddy's betting slip?
Leighton Vaughan Williams, an economics professor who researches betting and political forecasting at Nottingham Business School.
Historic data shows outsiders attract more bets than they merit. My best estimate is that there is about a 1-in-7 chance of a Yes outcome. If you roll a die, the chance of a Yes is somewhere near to the chance of throwing a six. Unlikely, but worth a roll.
Nate Silver, who called every U.S. state right in 2012 and has popularised ideas of betting markets as predictors of voting.
The Yes has almost no chance.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/02/17/scotland-independence-forecasts-idINDEEA1G0FP20140217
Leighton Vaughan Williams, an economics professor who researches betting and political forecasting at Nottingham Business School.
Historic data shows outsiders attract more bets than they merit. My best estimate is that there is about a 1-in-7 chance of a Yes outcome. If you roll a die, the chance of a Yes is somewhere near to the chance of throwing a six. Unlikely, but worth a roll.
Nate Silver, who called every U.S. state right in 2012 and has popularised ideas of betting markets as predictors of voting.
The Yes has almost no chance.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/02/17/scotland-independence-forecasts-idINDEEA1G0FP20140217
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I don't think Cameron being 'exposed' is the problem the Nats have at the moment Toddy. Your problem is Your glorious leader is being exposed as a complete berk. How do you, as a cyber Nat, feel the campaign is going? Swimmingly no doubt?
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Regardless of their education and experience they are both politicians and as such everything is secondary to their egos and desire for recognition - they will both say whatever bullshit is necessary to convince the less bright to support their megalomaniacal ideologies.
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trust..
Toddy, I wouldn`t trust Alex with a trip to ALDI never mind the finance of Scotland......
If it wasn`t for the Westminister bailout of RBS and Bank of Scotland they now wouldn`t have Scotland in their name anymore.
Who will bail em out next time.....Alex Salmond, nah he wouldn`t have the means even if he goes shopping at Aldi .
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Toddy, I wouldn`t trust Alex with a trip to ALDI never mind the finance of Scotland......
If it wasn`t for the Westminister bailout of RBS and Bank of Scotland they now wouldn`t have Scotland in their name anymore.
Who will bail em out next time.....Alex Salmond, nah he wouldn`t have the means even if he goes shopping at Aldi .
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For anyone who cares about democracy....
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S9BgbQ8fo6A&desktop_uri=/watch?v=S9BgbQ8fo6A
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S9BgbQ8fo6A&desktop_uri=/watch?v=S9BgbQ8fo6A
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The most astounding thing is the fact that Alex Salmond and the SNP did not draw up any alternative currency proposition, should it arise that their first option of a sterling currency union would be denied, as it just has. It smacks of political adventurism and recklessness on their part, because we are talking about a serious impact on millions of Scots when it comes to their mortgages, pensions, and jobs.
What seems clear is that the SNP and the broader YES campaign they are leading is starting to pay a heavy price for their timidity in putting forward a vision for Scottish independence, which can be summed up as 'independence without independence.'
There is an appetite for a much more radical and progressive vision for Scotland after three decades of Thatcherism. A vision encompassing the re-nationalization of the railways, a state owned energy supplier and bank, operated in the interests of the public instead of shareholders, would enjoy much support in the country, as would policies in favor of progressive taxation, trade union rights, a living wage, full employment, and major investment in housing and infrastructure.
In other words, offering a break from the straitjacket that would be self-imposed by a currency union with the rest of the UK and EU membership, would have offered the YES campaign the best opportunity to maximize support across Scotland.
As it is, Alex Salmond and the SNP have come up against a private members club that has just declared it is not currently accepting new members. This may leave them increasingly reliant on the emotional argument in favor of independence, based on empty symbols of Scottish nationalism such as the Saltire and the depiction of England as the auld enemy trampling over the rights of the Scottish people.
It is a dangerous path to tread.
http://rt.com/op-edge/eu-scottish-independence-campaign-556/
The most astounding thing is the fact that Alex Salmond and the SNP did not draw up any alternative currency proposition, should it arise that their first option of a sterling currency union would be denied, as it just has. It smacks of political adventurism and recklessness on their part, because we are talking about a serious impact on millions of Scots when it comes to their mortgages, pensions, and jobs.
What seems clear is that the SNP and the broader YES campaign they are leading is starting to pay a heavy price for their timidity in putting forward a vision for Scottish independence, which can be summed up as 'independence without independence.'
There is an appetite for a much more radical and progressive vision for Scotland after three decades of Thatcherism. A vision encompassing the re-nationalization of the railways, a state owned energy supplier and bank, operated in the interests of the public instead of shareholders, would enjoy much support in the country, as would policies in favor of progressive taxation, trade union rights, a living wage, full employment, and major investment in housing and infrastructure.
In other words, offering a break from the straitjacket that would be self-imposed by a currency union with the rest of the UK and EU membership, would have offered the YES campaign the best opportunity to maximize support across Scotland.
As it is, Alex Salmond and the SNP have come up against a private members club that has just declared it is not currently accepting new members. This may leave them increasingly reliant on the emotional argument in favor of independence, based on empty symbols of Scottish nationalism such as the Saltire and the depiction of England as the auld enemy trampling over the rights of the Scottish people.
It is a dangerous path to tread.
http://rt.com/op-edge/eu-scottish-independence-campaign-556/
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