RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN !

So - with no plan B Scotland is going to enter into negotiations with rUK to share the currency.

Meanwhile the Standard Life's, banks and other major businesses that have significant operations in rUk are going to consider the risks including currency transactions and customer loss.

No plan B represent uncertainty = risk and so these companies will migrate south to the safe haven of rUK. The shareholders of these companies will demand it.

Going back to the negotiations on currency, rUK can see a shed load of business/tax/jobs heading it's way through this migration. How sympathetic is it likely to be in the negotiations with it's partner who has just divorced it :augie

What an absolute shite fiscal strategy for the Yes vote :nenau
 
Craig Murray's view.................

Tories Campaign Against Scottish Independence (Shock)
by craig on February 27, 2014 2:07 pm

Keith Skeoch, Executive Director of Standard Life, is on the Board of Reform Scotland, the neo-conservative lobby group which wants to abolish the minimum wage, privatize the NHS and pensions and restrict trade unions further.

It is difficult for Tories openly to campaign against Scottish Independence as everyone in Scotland hates them, so they do it with their corporate hats on. This is most of the board of Standard Life:

Keith Skeoch, Executive Director, right wing political lobbyist

Crawford Gillies, Non Executive Director, Chairman of Control Risk Group, of London, the “security consultancy” of choice heavily peopled by ex MI5 and MI6 officers

Garry Grimstone, Chairman, “lead non-executive” at the Ministry of Defence, London

Noel Harwerth, non-executive Director, Director of “London First” – [Honestly, I am not making this up]

David Nish – Chief Executive, Member of the “UK Strategy Committee” of “TheCity UK”. “TheCity UK” being a body of the City of London.

John Paynter, non-executive Director, was vice chairman of JP Morgan Cazenove until the 2008 crash

Amazing that lot oppose independence, huh?

Standard Life also threatened to leave at the time of the devolution referendum and gave out no campaign materials to staff. “Leave” of course is a relative concept – the above bunch just pop up from London from time to time to check on how the serfs are doing.
 
BBC News.

Standard Life is putting in place contingency plans to relocate funds, people and operations to England if Scottish people vote for independence

Standard life threatened the same thing during the vote for devolution. They even threatened staff with the loss of their jobs should devolution go ahead. They are still here and the staff are still employed!

My ex was an employee with them at the time and if I remember right they got a slap for doing what they did and how they did it. They were neither politically neutral nor embracing of what their employees wished to vote.
 
A few posts ago I mentioned the vote being open to 16 and 17 yr olds as we all know, I also added that there will be a little sweetener somewhere along the line to help them decide either way..............
Well today the sweetener arrived disguised as a SNP free paper ( well sent first class ) all in an effort to inform us of the benefits of a " yes " vote.
The front sheet was given over to the usual pasted nonsense possibly passed on by Toddy..........with the large bright coloured " WIN AN I PAD " ADVERT. Now which part of this do you think the young voters will be influenced by...................
Very transparent but only to be expected. Who will be paying for all these many thousands of posted papers ? Mine helped to light the wood burner this morning, thank you Alex I knew you could keep me warm.....

Shinyface
 
A few posts ago I mentioned the vote being open to 16 and 17 yr olds as we all know, I also added that there will be a little sweetener somewhere along the line to help them decide either way..............
Well today the sweetener arrived disguised as a SNP free paper ( well sent first class ) all in an effort to inform us of the benefits of a " yes " vote.
The front sheet was given over to the usual pasted nonsense possibly passed on by Toddy..........with the large bright coloured " WIN AN I PAD " ADVERT. Now which part of this do you think the young voters will be influenced by...................
Very transparent but only to be expected. Who will be paying for all these many thousands of posted papers ? Mine helped to light the wood burner this morning, thank you Alex I knew you could keep me warm.....

Shinyface

What a heinous thing to do, try and temp someone to vote yes! You would never get the No campaign doing anything like that. Oh wait Ummm, OK maybe you would.
 
What a heinous thing to do, try and temp someone to vote yes! You would never get the No campaign doing anything like that. Oh wait Ummm, OK maybe you would.

I agree Mark its no surprise at the political games, however the stakes are much higher for the Yes campaign because if ( when ) the vote goes against them they will be lost in the political wilderness. As has been said before on here to be replaced by the Labour party.....
In the event of the No vote Westminster would remain the same or even slightly stronger maybe , so they can save the costs of I Pads and just wait for the 19th. ( my birthday by coincidence ) Happy birthday.

Shinyface
 
Although, looking back to the first devolution vote it was not quite like that - no wilderness to fear, far from it, just bitter regrets for a lost opportunity.

Warnings from Standard Life and promises of sweeteners for Scotland if we voted against, all sounds quite familiar!
The only wilderness for supporters that followed was 13 years of Tories, Thatcher and all.

Ultimately a positive outcome for devolution - nobody said it would be easy then or now!
 
Another Myth Debunked: TSB Sticking With Scotland

There was a lot of propaganda last week surrounding TSB and their registering of an office in London. The press speculated that they were getting ready to move to London and indeed attempted to press this idea home to the people of Scotland. This was all aimed at making people fear that the bank was getting ready to leave in the wake of a Yes vote for independence. This has now been debunked by TSB themselves.

In an interesting piece of news, TSB representatives responded to a tweet online saying that in fact they had no intention of going anywhere. The registration of the office in England was simply part of their restructuring. It was the registration of a holding company intended to replace the existing one south of the border.

http://yes2014.net/2014/02/27/another-myth-debunked-tsb-sticking-with-scotland/
 
Your just going to be so pissed when the rest of your lot decide they would prefer to carry on living under English rule.

I think there will be a lot of people - pissed off, if the vote goes for the status quo.............

I think that all the concessions granted (in the form of Scottish Parliament, etc) - which were given to try and stop Scotland heading for Independance (It certainly wasn't because the Westminster Government were feeling magnanimous)......... will start to go the other direction,

I think that generally - there will be a price to pay for Scotland (within a future United Kingdom) for deigning to want to split from UK.............

I also think that the trend for the likes of you, Wapping et all - to continue to bate the Scots with your neverending threads and posts referring to "Jocks - this, Jocks - that"............ will actually increase - you just won't be able to help yourselves - will you?


All the talk of Scotland collapsing under independance does a good job of obscuring what I believe to be the real reason for the "NO" campaign- that far from Scotland being dependant upon rUK for the last 30 years - it is the rest of the UK which is heavily-dependant upon Scotland, but are shit-scared of showing even the merest hint of that.

Al
 
There are comments about the Union not making it's case. We know what the Union looks like :confused:

It's up to the party proposing change to make the case and this they are spectacularly failing to do.

The Yes campaign has turned completely reactive with bile a plenty for any individual, group or company with opposing views.

Turkeys voting for Christmas.
 
I think there will be a lot of people - pissed off, if the vote goes for the status quo.............

I think that all the concessions granted (in the form of Scottish Parliament, etc) - which were given to try and stop Scotland heading for Independance (It certainly wasn't because the Westminster Government were feeling magnanimous)......... will start to go the other direction,

I think that generally - there will be a price to pay for Scotland (within a future United Kingdom) for deigning to want to split from UK.............

I also think that the trend for the likes of you, Wapping et all - to continue to bate the Scots with your neverending threads and posts referring to "Jocks - this, Jocks - that"............ will actually increase - you just won't be able to help yourselves - will you?


All the talk of Scotland collapsing under independance does a good job of obscuring what I believe to be the real reason for the "NO" campaign- that far from Scotland being dependant upon rUK for the last 30 years - it is the rest of the UK which is heavily-dependant upon Scotland, but are shit-scared of showing even the merest hint of that.

Al

Serious question..

Would you accept the right of the rest of the U.K. (Regardless of your referendum result in September) to have a vote to decide
If we want to see Scotland removed from the union ?
 
I think there will be a lot of people - pissed off, if the vote goes for the status quo.............

I think that all the concessions granted (in the form of Scottish Parliament, etc) - which were given to try and stop Scotland heading for Independance (It certainly wasn't because the Westminster Government were feeling magnanimous)......... will start to go the other direction,

I think that generally - there will be a price to pay for Scotland (within a future United Kingdom) for deigning to want to split from UK.............

I also think that the trend for the likes of you, Wapping et all - to continue to bate the Scots with your neverending threads and posts referring to "Jocks - this, Jocks - that"............ will actually increase - you just won't be able to help yourselves - will you?


All the talk of Scotland collapsing under independance does a good job of obscuring what I believe to be the real reason for the "NO" campaign- that far from Scotland being dependant upon rUK for the last 30 years - it is the rest of the UK which is heavily-dependant upon Scotland, but are shit-scared of showing even the merest hint of that.

Al

I think the Scots who would like independence would have more support and sympathy if they actually had a plan proper. It's all very well salmon and the cybernats creating division and trying to create a sense of grievance in Scotland but they actually need to show how an independent Scotland would function and they have failed to do that worse then miserably.
Undoubtedly Scotland could be independent and do well and the truth is most English/Welsh/N. Irish would wish them well. Your problem is the referendum has little to do with proper independence and salmon and the nats are so far out their depth and up their own arse it's embarrassing. This article sums up jabba nicely and I would be interested if you disagree with the author's assessment of salmon?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-Salmond-is-trying-to-rewrite-the-future.html
 
Devon the plan. What Plan!!! that's why all mine are voting no. Salmond doesn't have a plan well none that all of us can see that's why we would never contemplate this crazy idea.
 
Serious question..

Would you accept the right of the rest of the U.K. (Regardless of your referendum result in September) to have a vote to decide
If we want to see Scotland removed from the union ?

I wasn't aware thet the rest of the UK had that "right"?

Is it actually a "right" or is it something that you think should be your "right"?

I guess it seems unfair to you , that a country might have the right to leave, while the remainder don't have a right to expel.............

Al
 
Good blog today from Derek Bateman...

February 28, 2014
Chocs Away…!
The attack begins…

Wing Commander Guy Gibson, V.C., D.S.O., D.F.C: Hello, “M Mother” are you there?

Flight Lt. J.V. Hopgood, DFC: I’m here, Leader

Squadron Leader H.M. Young, DFC: Here, Leader.

Flight Lt. D.J.H. Maltby, DSO, DFC: Here, Leader.

Flight Lt. D.J. Shannon, DSO, DFC: Here, Leader

Squadron Leader H.E. Maudslay, DFC: Here, Leader.

Flying Officer L.G. Knight, DSO: Here, Leader.

Gibson: Hello, all Cooler aircraft. I’m going in to attack. Stand by to come in in your order when I tell you….

He points the nose down towards the dam wall. Cue music…



Isn’t it telling that the Coalition is calling the latest stage of its terror campaign The Dambusters after a Second World War murderous attack that flooded the Ruhr and killed over a thousand? Identifying a political campaign with the British war effort is one of those unthinking moments that provides an insight into how the British machine still regards itself. And, in passing, it confirms what people like me have been saying – that this is a political campaign in which the finance sector is participating, whatever Standard Life’s allegedly neutral words indicate.

After the Currency Denial comes the bouncing bombs of the financiers and bankers crashing into the credibility of the plan to free Scots from the control of the profiteering classes and create a more equal Scotland. Boom! Goes your currency…Crash! Goes your financial centre…Take that you blighters!

We call it the Dambusters after the movie but the operation was, even more appropriately, called Operation Chastise. Oh yes, that’s the Union game right there…teach them a lesson they won’t forget.

The history is also a metaphor because there were two unforeseen side effects. First, the largest group killed as the Mohne and the Eder poured millions of tons of water into the Ruhr Valley were on our side. They were nearly 800 Ukranian prisoners of war held in a camp just below the Eder Dam. They were collateral damage, just as those Scots will be after a No vote who are again left at the mercy of the Tory government, unprotected by their allies the Labour Party. Others to suffer will be Scots embittered at the closing of the ranks among the Unionist elite who finally realise that the partnership of the Union was a myth.

Secondly, the raid failed. It was initially seen as a success in that it hit key dams and released torrents of water and disrupted German engineering. The crews – those that made it, 50-odd men didn’t – came home, rightly, to heroes’ welcomes and, for Guy Gibson a Victoria Cross. But they failed to hit the third Sorpe dam which would have been devastating. Instead the water levels were back to normal in six weeks and war production resumed. So sometimes, what appears to be a success at first, turns out in time to be anything but.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Unionists are having a morale boost and on the BBC it is now a sly joke among presenters to drop in a final question to…well anybody, really. ‘What’s your take on independence?’ It is as if it is now safe to ask since the great cloud has been lifted and the powers to which the Unionists defer, the City, the Treasury and, bizarrely, Barroso, have hit back and stopped the movement in its tracks. (I liked the airline boss’s reply which didn’t follow the script by telling them passenger duty and landing fees would probably reduce so it would be good for business). That answer inadvertantly gave one small perspective on the wider question which hasn’t occurred to any BBC commentator I’ve seen or heard. They have no idea and no interest in SNP or the wider Yes policies and have minds closed to anything other than the conventional, deferential rote of honouring establishment power. If you have a title, you get automatic respect from the national broadcaster, no matter what you actually say. I think only Scot Angus Roxburgh in the London media (Guardian) and hardly anyone in Scotland actually tackled the content and implication of what Barroso said and challenged his role in saying it, not even the accoladed Andy Marr. Instead of fawning, it is their duty to us, the licence-fee payers, to challenge and scrutinise and it is proving beyond them.

There is too the long-term close association between Scottish media and the financial sector. When I was in newspapers we went to virtually every company announcement by banks and insurers, were treated royally and in return their pronouncements were given prominence. At that time there was some justification as some of these outfits were historically successful and, while boring, a source of pride. Connections forged then have influenced many of the commentators you read today. Financial institutions could afford lavish largesse in the form of lunches in the boardroom, golf outings, sponsorship and match tickets, some of which still goes on today…buying loyalty or at the very least making it that little bit harder to write a strongly critical piece. One well-known Edinburgh-based financial journalist told me how reporters were made aware of a building society – I think it was Abbey National, now part of Santander – who quietly offered them low interest mortgages. In return, he said, nobody ever wrote a bad word about them.



Longer term, on the ground, does a millionaire financier warning of leaving really scare the mass of Scots? Will banks who ruined people’s lives and still receive life-changing sums every year provide the leadership for people stuck on poverty wages, eking out a living on two jobs, surviving in stressed-out families? Will these people look to the Labour party leaping with joy at such threats along with the City and the Tories and imagine they remain on their side?

It wasn’t the feeling at the Yes meeting in Gilmerton in Edinburgh that I chaired last night where there was an anger and a resentment at being put in their place, kept down and lectured by politicians who have abandoned what they regard as the core values of their lives. There were stories of friends and family fighting to retain much needed benefits and an openness to egalitarian ideas that, far from being impossible to put in place, simply require the political will to introduce once the power is returned into the hands of the Scots. There was also news which I won’t repeat in detail because it’s likely to feature in the weekend press, about canvassing returns from some our housing estates which suggest a rising tide of support for a transformative Yes. These are Scots untouched by Standard Life pension and insurance policies. Their war generation parents probably expected that when the war was over they would live in peace, the peace they fought for. For too many thousands of our fellow Scots their daily life is a war and in six month’s, for the first time in their lives, they will hold the power in their hands from 7am to 10pm to change that world for ever.
 


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