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Wings over Scotland
wasn't the best name
wasn't the best name
RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN !
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I agree, and the really daft thing is that we are an Island nation together before we're anything else. Sure you could argue Westminster twats this and that, but hey we feel the same and I'm in Manchester!!
It's fucking daft.
When push comes to shove who is Scotland's closest allies, and who is England's ?
Past wars fought side my side, regiment by regiment. Does this count for fuck all ?
We're glued together in the form of the British Isles, we owe it too good sense to carry on.
Plus I like the look of the union flag!
Only losers if we split, but I think Scotland will be the biggest losers. I'm not just saying that from an English
Fair points well made Cap'n. Must say that the view by some that this is anti-English is way off the mark, I have seen none of this at all, even my English mates up here who have a vote have said its not the case (they are all voting no apart from one) Anyway, its a vote that needs to happen and been a long time in the making.
I just hope " the vote" doesn't leave a bitter taste for the losers, whoever they are north and south of the border.
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I still want to know if there's going to be a King or Queen.
Some of my best friends are English.
Toddy
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70% of North Sea oil workers in favour of Independence
http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/842/70-of-north-sea-oil-workers-in-favour-of-independence/
http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/842/70-of-north-sea-oil-workers-in-favour-of-independence/
Deleted account Cooperman
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I agree, and the really daft thing is that we are an Island nation together before we're anything else. Sure you could argue Westminster twats this and that
It's fucking daft.
When push comes to shove who is Scotland's closest allies, and who is England's ?
Past wars fought side my side, regiment by regiment. Does this count for fuck all ?
We're glued together in the form of the British Isles, we owe it too good sense to carry on.
Plus I like the look of the union flag!
Only losers if we split, but I think Scotland will be the biggest losers. I'm not just saying that from an English
Agreed, one of my bessie mates is a Weegie and we go back to the mid-70s, FFS that's 40 years!! More than most marriages.
At the end of the day Westminster screws us all over at some point. But if I was Scottish I would not be considering a YES vote based on the anti-English rhetoric and complete lack of a viable plan from Salmond. There are more holes in his white paper than in a tramps sock.
From a one day poll on Face book. I started to read the comments and it soon became clear the majority of people who commented would vote no to Independence and regarded the poll as a joke which is in keeping with the Nats emotive empty rhetoric.
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Good article without all the doom and gloom scare stories.
http://campbellmartin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/scottish-independence-and-english.html?m=1
http://campbellmartin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/scottish-independence-and-english.html?m=1
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A very enlightening article about the real reasons behind the push for independence. "centre-left Scottish governments could act as a beacon lighting the way for the working class of England to throw-off Tory rule and embrace a more enlightened agenda." Its to provide a base from which the socialists can spread their class warfare to the rest of the UK. The entire Scottish nation's future would be squandered on the alter of collectivism where individualism is seen as a crime. Many in the Yes campaign remind me of the Militant Tendency and how they operated in Liverpool in the 1980's. Their ideal after taking over Liverpool council was act as a beacon of socialism by setting budgets that spent more than the council raised in income and expecting the central government to cave in and make up the difference. This ended up with the city facing the real prospect of going bankrupt and redundancy notices were issued to all local authority workers.
A quote from that time that has some resonance with how the SNP socialists operate.
"I'll tell you what happens with impossible promises. You start with far-fetched resolutions; they are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the years sticking to that, out-placed, outdated, irrelevant to the real needs, and you end in the grotesque chaos of a Labour council, a Labour council, hiring taxis to scuttle round the city handing out redundancy notices to its own workers. I tell you - and you'll listen - you can't play politics with people's jobs and people's homes and people's services"
That was not a quote from a Tory Leader but the leader of the labour party.
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The end of Britain
This report produced by the right wing unionist magazine Money Week spells out the facts on Britain's bankruptcy. A bit rambling but states the facts on Britain's dept.
http://info.moneyweek.com/urgent-bu...wsweek.com~c&gclid=CIOsqqG66bwCFcUSwwodzA8Avw
Better Together.....aye right!!!!!!!
This report produced by the right wing unionist magazine Money Week spells out the facts on Britain's bankruptcy. A bit rambling but states the facts on Britain's dept.
http://info.moneyweek.com/urgent-bu...wsweek.com~c&gclid=CIOsqqG66bwCFcUSwwodzA8Avw
Better Together.....aye right!!!!!!!
Are you the typical "yes" vote type person would you say ?
Just asking like.............
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rather shot yourself in the foot with this one Toddy. This is an outfit warning in the strongest possible terms that the socialist solution to the problems we are in cannot work ie. Borrowing to fund public expenditure rather than cutting expenditure to match income. If you had taken the trouble to read the report you would have seen this quote from a former socialist prime minister of the UK
“We used to think you could spend your way out of recession and increase employment by boosting government spending… I tell you that option no longer exists. And so far as it ever did exist, it only worked on each occasion… by injecting a bigger dose of inflation into the economy, followed by a higher level of unemployment as the next step.”
If you can find a post independence Scottish government that is proposing to control public expenditure rather than writing a blank cheque backed by higher taxes and borrowing you might get me to change my mind.
That Money Week article makes it even more important that the people of Scotland do not allow themselves to be conned into voting for a future that will inevitably be based on big government socialist ideals. Doomed to failure before it could begin.
Fair play to Callaghan for his statement back in the '70's quoted above by Bennysdad. Shame the rest of the socialist movement didn't listen to him.
Fair play to Callaghan for his statement back in the '70's quoted above by Bennysdad. Shame the rest of the socialist movement didn't listen to him.
Ha!!
Toddy has changed sides!!!
His cutnpastelinkies are now designed to show the immense folly of voters failing to think through the implications of the enormous mistake he used to espouse!!
Well done!
Toddy has changed sides!!!
His cutnpastelinkies are now designed to show the immense folly of voters failing to think through the implications of the enormous mistake he used to espouse!!
Well done!
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Dunno, Toddy, no axe to grind but I reckon the currency malarkey has sunk you. Sterling is the UK's currency (not England's) and if you want to leave the UK, you can't expect to take the currency with you nor demand that the UK which you are abandoning acts as a banker of last resort. Salmond seemed quite shaky during his speech on "Sterlingisation":
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...nce-Alex-Salmond-reveals-currency-Plan-B.html
Salmond's arguments don't stack up to me and he's still regurgitating his view that English businesses would reject currency transaction charges even though the IoD and others said some time ago that this would be preferable to currency union. Odds are better than 4:1 for a Yes vote on Betfair at the moment.
I'm no fan of Cameron, by the way, nor other Tories, Westminster and politicians in general....
Money is simply an IOU. A £50 note isn't worth 10 times as much as a £5 note because it's a bigger or a better quality bit of paper and ink but because the country that issues it represents the ability of that country to honour the value of that IOU. Once two separate counties/economies try to share a currency the weaker country is relying on the stronger country's reputation to honour the IOU and maintain the value of the IOU.
In a way salmon wants to share the UK's bank account and live off our AAA rating so he can go crazy and borrow cheaply and if Scotland can't repay any debt Scotland runs up, the UK will be liable for it. So of course the UK would be crazy to share a currency with a foreign land that has already threatened to dump its share of the UK debt on the rUK and Scotland has already shown it's happy to shit on the children of the English/Welsh/N Irish who want to learn in Scottish universities while Scottish and the rest of Europe's children can get free education.
Carney, the BoE Govenor, went to Scotland and politely explained to the Scots why they can only use £s if they remain part of the UK but salmon wouldn't listen so all three main UK political parties have told salmon and Scotland in no uncertain terms they can't use £s if they choose independence but still salmon won't listen so now it's down to the Scots to think long and hard and accept that if they vote for independence they will actually be getting independence which means having a Scottish currency and central bank or having no currency/central bank and buying UK £s with Scottish £s to pay their bills.
Joining Europe is another problem as well as many others that the Nats have no answer for, just empty emotive rhetoric which might be great short term but won't independence make or pay the bills.
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