RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN !

Odd how it has always been a cry of that Scottish bank that we had to bail out when it fact it would appear to be English and it just happens to have Scotland in its name and a fancy office here. Also interesting that it has to be where most of its business is I.E England. So does that mean that what caused it to near collapse was actually English debt.
I guess it would also be another debt that we wouldn't have to pay since the bank would stay with the rUK.
 
Marki_GSA said:
Odd how it has always been a cry of that Scottish bank that we had to bail out when it fact it would appear to be English and it just happens to have Scotland in its name and a fancy office here. Also interesting that it has to be where most of its business is I.E England. So does that mean that what caused it to near collapse was actually English debt.
I guess it would also be another debt that we wouldn't have to pay since the bank would stay with the rUK.
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But we would have to pay the unemployment benefit of the staff left in Scotland who were put out of a job.
 
So RBS is going to shut up shop and close all their branches just because they have to move head office? Na not a hope. People seem to forget we still have pensions, mortgages and bank loans. Do you really think the financial industry is going to shut it all down and piss of south of the border? Switzerland is neither in the EU or uses the Euro so I guess they have a garbage financial sector as well?

Its a good effort though and fits in nicely with the doom and gloom scare tactics of the Better togetherness.
 
Marki_GSA said:
Odd how it has always been a cry of that Scottish bank that we had to bail out when it fact it would appear to be English and it just happens to have Scotland in its name and a fancy office here. Also interesting that it has to be where most of its business is I.E England.
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Marki_GSA said:
So RBS is going to shut up shop and close all their branches just because they have to move head office? Na not a hope. People seem to forget we still have pensions, mortgages and bank loans. Do you really think the financial industry is going to shut it all down and piss of south of the border?
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Make your mind up :augie
 
Shell and Barclays join the queue of companies understandably advising the markets that if the Nats don't have an economic plan, this represents a significant risk to their Scottish business.

I heard a rumour Wee Eck was in London to give a landmark whinge. Did anybody hear anything :nenau
 
Devon said:
If half of what the Nats claim is true they would have a serious Whitepaper and a plan for currency and a central bank to control the economy and everything an independent country needs to be independent; but they haven't have they?
You are obviously a sensible bloke, why don't you explain how an independent Scotland will operate without a currency outside Europe and how it will fund itself without relying on wishful thinking, bluster or copy and paste? I am all ears and waiting to be convinced :)
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Dearest AberdeenAngus seems to have gone all coy on us :D Could any other person living in Scotland answer my simple question or maybe Toddy could copy and paste it to his SNP pimp who could send him back an answer to copy and paste here?



Marki_GSA said:
So RBS is going to shut up shop and close all their branches just because they have to move head office? Na not a hope. People seem to forget we still have pensions, mortgages and bank loans. Do you really think the financial industry is going to shut it all down and piss of south of the border? Switzerland is neither in the EU or uses the Euro so I guess they have a garbage financial sector as well?
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Switzerland has a currency, central bank and a very strong financial regulator; everything the Nats say Scotland doesn't need and won't have.
 
Don't understand why we have to obey any rules from Eu when they won't let us in, surely we can just tell them to feck off with their silly ideas ??

but anyhow RUK will not be a member after they get the vote in 2017.

RUK must be worried having something like 1.6 TRILLION (and increasing) of debt after Scotland leave them to it, RUK will end up same a France.

Anyway all of this is just a load of bollocks, it'll be a NO vote and we are all fecked every which way whilst those feckin Tories are in charge.
 
Toddy, my challenge still stands. Please give us just one post with your own opinion. I promise it will not be revealed to your controller. I will even help start you off. All you have to do is fill in the blank.

I am voting for Scotland to leave the United Kingdom because I think........................................................

Over to you. This is the last chance to prove you are not a computer virus.
 
busy builder said:
Don't understand why we have to obey any rules from Eu when they won't let us in, surely we can just tell them to feck off with their silly ideas ??

but anyhow RUK will not be a member after they get the vote in 2017.

RUK must be worried having something like 1.6 TRILLION (and increasing) of debt after Scotland leave them to it, RUK will end up same a France.

Anyway all of this is just a load of bollocks, it'll be a NO vote and we are all fecked every which way whilst those feckin Tories are in charge.
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Well "Independence Day" is scheduled for March 2016 according to Salmond so the UK will have to comply with the EU even in the unlikely event that the UK will decide to leave the EU in 2017. If Scotland walks away from its share of the National (UK) debt, the rUK will cope...its population will simply be reduced to the level it was 20 years ago: it's not as if it's being halved in size or anything. Of course, as a counterbalance, if Scotland does walk away from its debts, the rUK will be absolved of any long term commitments to Scots such as pension payments.

I have found pretty much all the "yes" arguments which have been cut and paste here either naive, ill informed or blatantly manipulative. I did hear Will Self (an Englishman but married to a Scot) talk the other day and his arguments that Scottish Independence was a good thing were both logical and very persuasive.

However, the Salmond strategy just doesn't make sense to me. The plan to flood the Internet with positive stories has backfired awfully as quantity has prevailed over quality. To waste part of my life watching a video which seems to have been produced by a nine year old who recently discovered that life isn't fair is as frustrating as I find the inevitable co-ordinated supportive comments from activists which such videos instantly attract.

Most significantly, I notice when Toddy pastes something these days, it is no longer preceded by :clap x many. Enthusiasm must be waning.
 
More good reasons for voting YES

Ever wondered why certain companies speak out about politics? I'm not sure how sensible it is for the UKOK crowd to enlist multi-nationals like Shell (Headed by George Osborne's father in law no less) Who also spoke out against the ending of apartheid in a South Africa or Standard Life with a board full of Tory donors.
 

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So another Nat who doesn't have a sensible case for independence. I see one of the world's biggest banks in America has pointed out Scotland would be rated alongside Botswana if it votes for independence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ould-lose-UKs-AAA-rating-warns-Citigroup.html
No doubt salmon will run blubbing to his mummy that the nasty American bank is bullying him.

The public are allowed comment on these articles and the best rated comment for this piece is actually worthy of cut and paste I think. Boredom is a terrible thing but maybe you could rouse yourself to offer your opinion on it AA?

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If only the independence issue up here in Scotland was just about the economy. It will more than likely and hopefully promote a resounding ‘No’ majority in September. But not before serious damage is done to the sound reputation that the Scots have earned all over the world: and not before much further destructive Scot v Scot infighting.

On the subject of reputation, Scotland is fast becoming a focus of the self centred ingrate blame culture that so blights almost every aspect of modern life everywhere. And it is epitomised in the SNP and amongst its bigoted, mean, whining and parochially minded pro-independence campaigners. For
these bogus ‘bravehearts’ everything is ‘aye the fault o’ the bloody English’
; ie - somebody else. Their mindset is stuck in the past searching for a 14th century solution to a trumped up but really petty 21st century issue. They care not a jot for preserving our truly noble and gallant shared history over the past 200 plus years. The monstrous tyrannies in the 20th century which we’ve necessarily fought against and beaten together mean nothing to them; nor does the cost of the millions of lives – particularly in the two World Wars – which ironically bought them the freedom to behave now with such ingratitude. For them Bannockburn
has more resonance and meaning.

They shame my country and even more so now as their contemptible and utterly self serving agenda is causing wholly unnecessary infighting. Scots are now angrily pitted against each other - even within families.

Both of my Godfathers and many of my 50s schoolmasters in Lanarkshire fought on the Western Front as Cameronians in WW1. My father fought as a Cameronian throughout WW2. All these stalwart soldiers loathed Scottish Nationalism. They saw it for what it really is: a euphemism for the type of racist bigotry that only ever promotes and perpetuates disharmony and division.
And so it is proving today.

In our increasingly dangerous world the SNP’s proposed Scottish divorce – in the process making the English despise us - simply makes no sense on any level. The future well being, security, harmony and prosperity for everyone in the UK now lies in Scotland’s hands.

I can only hope that we have the broad minded generosity, sensitivity, integrity and courage to live up to the responsibility by voting ‘No’ and consigning Salmond and the SNP to the dustbin of history

 
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