The Next Best Bike in The World Ever......Thread :-)
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Ok,the results are in..........and I was miles out !!!!
Geoff has said that the 1290 motor makes big power gains,but he meant in the midrange and not top end.
So when Mark gave me the dyno graph I was a bit disappointed to see that the base run made 123.36 bhp and 75.27 ft lb torque and the remap gave it 129.63 bhp and 87.52 ft lb .
So only 6 bhp gain at the top end and 12 torquey things.
BUT I didn't need more power.I just wanted the slightly stifled mid range to be tweaked .And boy has he done that.
Just look at the graph
Take say 4000 rpm,which is where you spend a fair bit of time in 5th or 6th.
The power has gone from about 37 to 60bhp and the torque from 50 to 80 ft lbs .
And you can certainly feel the difference on the road !!!
So I'm very happy .I didn't need more power but it's so much fitter now.
Geoff said it would have been even better without the Akra baffle but I don't want it that noisy.It'll be interesting to see what Giles's does tomorrow without the cat.
Geoff has said that the 1290 motor makes big power gains,but he meant in the midrange and not top end.
So when Mark gave me the dyno graph I was a bit disappointed to see that the base run made 123.36 bhp and 75.27 ft lb torque and the remap gave it 129.63 bhp and 87.52 ft lb .
So only 6 bhp gain at the top end and 12 torquey things.
BUT I didn't need more power.I just wanted the slightly stifled mid range to be tweaked .And boy has he done that.
Just look at the graph
Take say 4000 rpm,which is where you spend a fair bit of time in 5th or 6th.
The power has gone from about 37 to 60bhp and the torque from 50 to 80 ft lbs .
And you can certainly feel the difference on the road !!!
So I'm very happy .I didn't need more power but it's so much fitter now.
Geoff said it would have been even better without the Akra baffle but I don't want it that noisy.It'll be interesting to see what Giles's does tomorrow without the cat.
Absolutely ...
Don't get sucked into how much extra BHP it has or hasn't made, that has feck all to do with it!
It's all about beautiful fuelling, crisp crisp throttle action, and being able to dial in absolute minute detail with your right hand on those wet greasy roundabouts and all that guff ...
That midrange graph looks a fantastic improvement!
Good stuff.
I'll let you know how I get on tomorrow.
Don't get sucked into how much extra BHP it has or hasn't made, that has feck all to do with it!
It's all about beautiful fuelling, crisp crisp throttle action, and being able to dial in absolute minute detail with your right hand on those wet greasy roundabouts and all that guff ...
That midrange graph looks a fantastic improvement!
Good stuff.
I'll let you know how I get on tomorrow.
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That'll be the 'developed in close association with KTM' Akra stifling the performance
Geoff's magic on my 1190, with the aesthetically and dynamically superior Wings exhaust pumped out 138 ponies and 90 tree stump ripping out things
Bollox, it's all about the POWER
Andres
... Bollox, it's all about the POWER
Andres
Ok, so it's all about useable power and not max power ...
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Ok, so it's all about useable power and not max power ...
Listen, my humble 1190 is pumping out way more top end than Arseyego's 1290 so, as far as I'm concerned, top end power is where its at. End of.
Andres
Geoff's magic on my 1190, with the aesthetically and dynamically superior Wings exhaust pumped out 138 ponies and 90 tree stump ripping out things
Bollox, it's all about the POWER
Andres
Similar to mine 135 BHP and 88 Ft/lb with only a £100 second hand Arrow end can fitted - No wonder I was not impressed with the 2016 1290 SA I tested last year
Ok, so it's all about useable power and not max power ...
Agreed - looking at my readout my 1190 is making circa 74 ft/lb between 3,500 and 5,000 RPM. Peak torque of 88 Ft/lb was at around 7,500 RPM.
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Agreed - looking at my readout my 1190 is making circa 74 ft/lb between 3,500 and 5,000 RPM. Peak torque of 88 Ft/lb was at around 7,500 RPM.
Similar here............
So, in conclusion, on a Hilltop'd 1290 v 1190 they both mike very similar mid range but on top end the 1190 trounces the 1290 .
I can live with that
Andres
I think Geoff must have given him the "Africa Twin" map knowing how much Arsey liked his last one
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..... out 138 ponies and 90 tree stump ripping out things
Andres
So...you just need to get Geoff to increase your torque by 35%...and you'll be in the same territory as my old Harley.....
Bollox, it's all about the TORQUE
Is that still the case !
Listen, my humble 1190 is pumping out way more top end than Arseyego's 1290 so, as far as I'm concerned, top end power is where its at. End of.
Andres
Will you be taking Junk to see Geoff
Does it really matter ?
It's what it's like to ride that counts . And my 1290 feels much better now, just like a more pokey 950 Super Enduro with its lovely carbs and no Euro emissions bollocks.
I must admit I thought it would make more peak power but it goes like stink and I rarely rev the bugger above about 8k anyway so it matters not.
It's more about the all round package . Great motor, great suspension , cutting edge tech such as the TFT screen which has put the 1290 on a different level to the old clocks of the 1190 and any GS. And it all works seamlessly.
I'm very happy with the bike . Might not even sell it just yet
It's what it's like to ride that counts . And my 1290 feels much better now, just like a more pokey 950 Super Enduro with its lovely carbs and no Euro emissions bollocks.
I must admit I thought it would make more peak power but it goes like stink and I rarely rev the bugger above about 8k anyway so it matters not.
It's more about the all round package . Great motor, great suspension , cutting edge tech such as the TFT screen which has put the 1290 on a different level to the old clocks of the 1190 and any GS. And it all works seamlessly.
I'm very happy with the bike . Might not even sell it just yet
Will you be taking Junk to see Geoff
"Junk" is the Holy Ones Sportster, Andres has the "old shitter"... Mine is the "old snotter"....
I find the figures quite surprising, if I'm honest. Euro 4 is ruining our bikes.
My 1290 is euro 4 and it ain't strangled like em figures.
6hp ain't even worth the ferry crossing
