theft of 1200 info

[Deleted account 190920001]

Watched it again and I still see it driven away or that's a pretty big hill which it could be of course.

 

[Deleted account Aberdeen GS]

Wapping, chains and add-on security are not the answer. If we all used chains, bike thefts would still occur.
Even an old imbecile like you, can see that!

The answer lies across many areas; Policing, improvements to the criminal justice system, immigration, technology, education and good old fashioned punishment!
The Policemen on this forum will explain it better than me. (well they would if it didn't risk their careers by stating their thoughts!)

Basically ...they try their best, but resources and new politically correct rules hamper them.

 

[Wapping]

Surely, since no-one actually declares where their bike will be parked - the Post code which is attributed to thefts........ is the owner's home one.

Al

The location of bike thefts is recorded.

If a rider lives in a sleepy hamlet in say, Suffolk, his garaging of his vehicle at home will carry a reasonably low premium loading.

He then rides the bike into EC3 and leaves it all day, from where it is stolen. The theft is logged as inner London and added to all the others. Inner London post codes and others around it then get a very significant theft loading in their premium, as reported on these pages. Theft that is encouraged (or at least made much easier) if riders insist on taking no extra security. Whether that lack of self-help is down to ignorance of theft, laziness, reluctance to spend money on a lock of any sort, faith in that as it's never happened to them so it cannot happen, a mistake in forgetting to fit the lock or not doing so because they were only going to be two minutes in the shop or a justifiable belief that their pound of butter in the fridge really is the best protection a man can have, is another matter entirely.

Mix in that it is now often a question asked of customers who ask for the commuting extension to be added, where and how their bike will be kept whilst they are at work, will sometimes lead to a loading over and above the minimal charge had the bike stayed in sleepy Suffolk and not been left in EC3.

 

[Tractors are go]

Even I spotted the scooter that appears just in shot at the clip end.

Yes, it would be nice if manufacturers marked with smart water or similar to make it easier to prove stolen and get a conviction.

Unfortunately Da Met got rid of Dr Ken German one of the foremost experts in vehicle theft and a really nice bloke too.

Vehicle theft, especially of ptw was not seen as a priority.

Up here, there isn't even anyone who can check on ringers as Police Scotland decided vehicle theft isn't an issue.

Sadly North Edinburgh resembles the wild west, and recently a young boy was knocked down on a pedestrian crossing by youth's on two stole bike's.
Now something is being done!

The Edinburgh Evening News, still calls these feral little bastards, biker's; call them what they are thieves.

If, they really want your bike, they'll take it.

All you can do is make it more likely they'll go for the easier (no security) choice.

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[WaterMonkey]

I think the irony of Wapping moaning about people leaving their bikes unchained increasing the risk of theft and then him advertising a bike, with exact location and photo so it can be nicked is lost on him.

 

[Wapping]

Don't worry. It's gone.

 

[Kritou]

Must have been a pretty determined scrote to have scootered all the way out to Athens for that bike ...........

 

[Wapping]

Yes, it would be nice if manufacturers marked with smart water or similar to make it easier to prove stolen and get a conviction

New BMW's - at least those sold through Park Lane - come ready tagged with SmartWater, or similar.

All you can do is make it more likely they'll go for the easier (no security) choice.

It would of course also be nice if owners (often most concerned with theft of their GPS devices or from their copious metal panniers) did as you suggest and applied at least some additional basic level of additional protection to their expensive motorbike, when they leave it sitting around in central London for hours on end. A simple enough suggestion that seems to cause outrage in some quarters.

 

[tarry]

Bike theft

i can see Wappings point here, years ago we went to a bike festival on a sunday afternoon in leafy Rawtenstall lancs, we parked up 6 sport bikes, 5 with various and pretty cheap disc locks and my r1 with nothing, When we got back my handlebars were straight and the ignition was on, only the immobilizer stopped them taking it, the other 5 bikes i was with hadn't been touched, lesson learnt for me

 

[Hates_]

Bod in post #9 wants more locks, preferably fitted by the manufacturer, naturally.

Not at all, what I meant was that maybe there could be a way that our own locks could be better integrated with the bike. So if you don't want to lock it, then fine, but for us that do it makes life even harder for criminals.

 

[Wapping]

OK I see what you mean and at least you agree that using an additional lock - in addition to the very basic steering lock - is at least a sensible precaution, over and above the alternative of doing nothing when leaving a bike out on the streets of a large city, or indeed, anywhere.

I guess that BMW's problem with your idea would be that there are so many alternative styles, shapes and sizes of lock out there, designing a modification by which an owner's lock could be introduced would be all but impossible. Not least, it would have to be easy to use or owners, put simply, wouldn't use it. I have watched bods away, having lugged bloody great chains all the way to the Alps, then not fit them as they were tired from the day's ride, the chain and lock now being seen as a faff. The second pre-requisite would - assuming BMW design their own lock - would that it would have to be cheap or bikers would see it as just another rip-off, refusing to buy it, irrespective of how well it might integrate with the rest of the bike. If in doubt, see posts where bods refuse to buy BMW's branded GPS devices, sacrificing the ability of the iWheel's ability to integrate in favour of a cheaper device with which the iwheel won't work.

 

[WaterMonkey]

It would be easy for BMW to design a steering lock that doesn't break when a bit of force is put on the bars. It's not rocket science.
So Wapping, the photo you took was possibly someone who had left their bike for a minute or so. I dare say you'd advocate still fitting a disc lock in that scenario so what is everyone's stance on leaving their bikes whilst they pop in to a fuel station? What do most people do?
Surely that will be the next target destination for the scumbags?

 

[unicycler]

reality is when they get harder to steal then they will be taken by force. Like in China.
these thieves are armed with hammers etc, have no balls for a one to one. If they have a market for the bikes, i have no doubt it wouldnt bother them to hit you a crack when parking your bike then riding it off.

 

[Hates_]

what is everyone's stance on leaving their bikes whilst they pop in to a fuel station? What do most people do?

Going into a petrol station is probably the only time I don't lock it as I can see it at all times. If it's out of sight I'll lock it up.

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

Sadly North Edinburgh resembles the wild west, and recently a young boy was knocked down on a pedestrian crossing by youth's on two stole bike's.
Now something is being done!

The Edinburgh Evening News, still calls these feral little bastards, biker's; call them what they are thieves.

This is doing my head in just now. Being called "motorcycle crime" no it's not, it's thieving scum joyriding and running people over!

 

[Steptoe]

Well; lets see what he said;

"Here's a nice GS for someone to nick this morning.
No security beyond the steering lock.
Corner of Muscovy Street and Tower Gardens, EC3
There's a nice 125 KTM that's close by in the same bay every day, no lock or chain either.

And the cnuts moan that other cnuts pinch them. The theft (of bikes owned by cnuts that probably live miles away) forces up the central London post code theft premiums of those of us who live here. "


So how is it different from my example; of the judge who said "her skirt was too short she was asking for it ?"


I'm not advocating leaving an unsecured bike.
BUT I do think if you do, you shouldnt be criticised. (especially by other bikers!)

Much the same as we all recognize that Hi Viz jackets help one "be seen" .... But I dont think anyone should be censured for riding without Hi Viz.

Yes, lets see what he said. Where does wapping say they deserve to have their bikes pinched because they aren't locked or where does he say they deserve to have them stolen..

All i can see is he states that the cunty owners moan about the cunty scrotes who stole them..



And as for the statement "Much the same as we all recognize that Hi Viz jackets help one "be seen"

Well i'm afraid i'm not one of those.

;

Wapping, chains and add-on security are not the answer. If we all used chains, bike thefts would still occur.
Even an old imbecile like you, can see that!

The answer lies across many areas; Policing, improvements to the criminal justice system, immigration, technology, education and good old fashioned punishment!
The Policemen on this forum will explain it better than me. (well they would if it didn't risk their careers by stating their thoughts!)

Basically ...they try their best, but resources and new politically correct rules hamper them.

Ahh, now i see your confusion... It appears Wappings comment has gone way over your head.

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Yes, lets see what he said. Where does wapping say they deserve to have their bikes pinched because they aren't locked or where does he say they deserve to have them stolen..

All i can see is he states that the cunty owners moan about the cunty scrotes who stole them..



And as for the statement "Much the same as we all recognize that Hi Viz jackets help one "be seen"

Well i'm afraid i'm not one of those.

;


Ahh, now i see your confusion... It appears Wappings comment has gone way over your head.

Noooo he is confused as to whether he is a Pharmacist or a pilot

 

[Wapping]

So Wapping, the photo you took was possibly someone who had left their bike for a minute or so. I dare say you'd advocate still fitting a disc lock in that scenario so what is everyone's stance on leaving their bikes whilst they pop in to a fuel station? What do most people do?
Surely that will be the next target destination for the scumbags?

There are several reports of blokes on this site having their bikes stolen when they park up to nip into the shops, the last one in the last couple of weeks. Steptoe commented that it was a well known site for theft and wouldn't leave his bike unlocked there. Some other mug has his gone in under 60 seconds from just around the corner from Vine Street nick, while he bought a coffee.

Let's be clear. Bikes (and expensive ones at that, not old shitters used for commuting) are being left all day in central London bike bays, protected by nothing more than their very weak steering locks. They are being regularly stolen by yes, scumbags. Yes, bikes are nicked as well with trackers, chains and feck knows what else by the same scumbags, armed with bolt cutters, battery driven saws, hammers, acid, nitrogen freezing sprays and for all I know Dr Fecking No's laser beam.

Let's be clear again, these scumbags are doing it because it is luctrative and above all because it's easy. Made easier still if bikermates ignore very simple advice to at least try to better secure their bike (on which they often rely) whilst they leave it sitting around all day.

Look at the feckin films bods put up to show how easy it is. One kick, snap, push. No need to feck about with the bolt cutters, laser beam, battery saw. No need for the scumbags to waste time (people comment how quick it is) with all that malarkey as there was nothing to crop, burn, rip, freeze, hit or cut. Why? Easy: Because matey bikermate boy didn't see the need to do anything more to at least up his chances of his bike being left alone and the scumbags picking on the one next door.

Nobody is suggesting that you'll fit a disk lock when you roll in for fuel, though you might be well advised to fit one when you decide to take up the forecourt's offer of a two hour stay to pig out on shite food in the 'All day' food hall, chilling with likeminds.

Bods in this thread are blaming the police for not doing more. The same bods seem quite happy to ignore that the selfsame police's most simple opening advice is to at least secure the bike with a basic lock; advice that bods then seem to want to ignore and / or get stressed out when somebody suggests that leaving what is in effect an unlocked bike (the steering lock is cheese, we have been assured of that) all day on the streets of central London - where bike theft by scumbags is endemic, we are assured - is not the smartest of moves.

Me? I don't care one fig if somebody decides that their bike is not worth the effort or expense of locking up, whiist it sits all day in EC3. Just don't expect too many 'Jeezus mate, I feel for you can't believe what I'd do if a scumbag nicked my baby' posts of sympathy when and if it goes. On the theme of babies, would you leave a baby in a pram on the street all day? No. Baby is as popular a word to describe a motorbike on these pages as steed (awesome as they might be). Lock your fecking baby up, mate or it may well you that's bawlin' your eyes out that some scumbag has nicked it, then ranting that the cops should at once be dropping everything to search eastern Poland for it instead of chasing terrorists and rapists.

 

[Bake]

There are several reports of blokes on this site having their bikes stolen when they park up to nip into the shops, the last one in the last couple of weeks. Steptoe commented that it was a well known site for theft and wouldn't leave his bike unlocked there. Some other mug has his gone in under 60 seconds from just around the corner from Vine Street nick, while he bought a coffee.

Let's be clear. Bikes (and expensive ones at that, not old shitters used for commuting) are being left all day in central London bike bays, protected by nothing more than their very weak steering locks. They are being regularly stolen by yes, scumbags. Yes, bikes are nicked as well with trackers, chains and feck knows what else by the same scumbags, armed with bolt cutters, battery driven saws, hammers, acid, nitrogen freezing sprays and for all I know Dr Fecking No's laser beam.

Let's be clear again, these scumbags are doing it because it is luctrative and above all because it's easy. Made easier still if bikermates ignore very simple advice to at least try to better secure their bike (on which they often rely) whilst they leave it sitting around all day.

Look at the feckin films bods put up to show how easy it is. One kick, snap, push. No need to feck about with the bolt cutters, laser beam, battery saw. No need for the scumbags to waste time (people comment how quick it is) with all that malarkey as there was nothing to crop, burn, rip, freeze, hit or cut. Why? Easy: Because matey bikermate boy didn't see the need to do anything more to at least up his chances of his bike being left alone and the scumbags picking on the one next door.

Nobody is suggesting that you'll fit a disk lock when you roll in for fuel, though you might be well advised to fit one when you decide to take up the forecourt's offer of a two hour stay to pig out on shite food in the 'All day' food hall, chilling with likeminds.

Bods in this thread are blaming the police for not doing more. The same bods seem quite happy to ignore that the selfsame police's most simple opening advice is to at least secure the bike with a basic lock; advice that bods then seem to want to ignore and / or get stressed out when somebody suggests that leaving what is in effect an unlocked bike (the steering lock is cheese, we have been assured of that) all day on the streets of central London - where bike theft by scumbags is endemic, we are assured - is not the smartest of moves.

Me? I don't care one fig if somebody decides that their bike is not worth the effort or expense of locking up, whiist it sits all day in EC3. Just don't expect too many 'Jeezus mate, I feel for you can't believe what I'd do if a scumbag nicked my baby' posts of sympathy when and if it goes. On the theme of babies, would you leave a baby in a pram on the street all day? No. Baby is as popular a word to describe a motorbike on these pages as steed (awesome as they might be). Lock your fecking baby up, mate or it may well you that's bawlin' your eyes out that some scumbag has nicked it, then ranting that the cops should at once be dropping everything to search eastern Poland for it instead of chasing terrorists and rapists.

Its not very often i agree with Mr Wapping, but he has made some valid points above

 

[WaterMonkey]

Its not very often i agree with Mr Wapping, but he has made some valid points above

I agree with him too, I always put a disc lock on my bike. My issue was with him posting a photo of an unlocked bike with exact location on a public Internet forum. Not exactly helping to stop theft is it!