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This years tour begins end of August for 2 weeks, going through the tunnel to Calais.
As you can see, I've travelled a similar route each year and would like to try something different this year.
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My friend and I would like to visit the U Boat pens at St Nazaire on our way down to the Biescas area to then ride along the N260 to Andorra.
We always avoid the toll roads/motorways and would like to know if anyone has any experience of decent roads down the Western side of France?
 
Most routes (especially non-motorway) are dictated by the time available. How many days have you set aside for the ‘West Coast’ leg Calais > St Nazaire > Biescas, assuming you want to spend a full day of the total 14 days in St Nazaire itself?

From Sutton, it might be better to cross over via St Malo, if you plan to do St Nazaire and then west coast of France. But too late for that, I guess?

This is broadly the most direct (motorway or non-motorway) direction:

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Me? I’d probably cut a bit more inland to the east, roughly along the red line. But, that might well be dictated to some degree or another by how long you want to take getting to Biescas:

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Something along these lines:

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The section to St Nazaire from Calais, takes you close to Le Mans, where we go each June. This is one of the routes we take:


Yes, it takes the motorway at the start but that’s because we want to get there in the day, stop for lunch and still arrive in good time to eat, then go to the track to see qualifying in the evening, along with night time practice.

Le Mans’ish to St Nazaire is then a modest 180 miles or so:

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Or you could not go via / close to Le Mans at all, but instead work you way through Normandy and into Brittany, along sort of this line:

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Time, mixed in with stuff to see, really is the big dictator.

This thread (it’s a bit jumbled) sort of gives a basic starting point to answer your question:


That said, as it’s close on or over 900 miles (probably over thousand, once you’ve finished) - just for the first section - that you are asking for, some more information from your / your mate’s side might be handy; not least the days available for A to B and on to C to D and so on. For example, it’s assumed St Nazaire is a day standing still as it were. This affects B to C. Do you want more days off? Clearly, the distance(s) involved will show how many options there might and can be.

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PS Take a gold star, Some bods ask for 1,000 mile routes, when they (and their six mates) are leaving on Thursday and it’s already Tuesday….
 
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I normally ride back up the west coast from Picos,so you’d be doing it in reverse .
Go do your St Nazaire thing then I’d head down via Saint Jean de Monts, then Les Sables D’Olonne.
Maybe plan a night in La Rochelle or Ile de Ré
I prefer the latter.
Hôtel La Jetée in Saint Martin de Ré is reasonably priced, great location and has a garage.
Then take the Royan-Le Verdon sur Mer ferry to avoid Bordeaux.
Backroads to near Marcheprime then I’d jump on the autoroute on till you hit Spain as too many village after that slowing your progress.

We did the entire N260 in May, staying the first night in Canfranc Station.
Not cheap,but stunning.
 
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The route in post #3 works, as it’s the most direct from St Nazaire. It’s probably dictated as much by time (Arsey is going home) as anything else. There is nothing wrong with going home, of course.

It shows the importance of giving the time available for what are long (900 plus miles) journeys and that’s just to get from Calais to Biescas, let alone your next sections. If you have three days in mind to go Calais > St Nazaire > Biescas, but plan on a day at the U-boat pens, leaving two days - all whilst avoiding motorways - you’d better get up and leave early.

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Riding from Sutton down to the tunnel in the afternoon and staying in France might buy you a little extra time. If you want to ride to Ste Nazaire without using a motorway then you will need two lengthy days riding with an overnight stop probably where you cross the Seine or maybe Swiss Normandie if you want to ride for around 7 hours (then add time for stops).
The route to the Seine crossing largely runs alongside the A28 so you may as well get on it and make time. Others have suggested a way to get from Ste Naz to the Pyrenees.

Where will you jump off the N260? As soon as you enter Andorra? From Andorra will you start the journey north again or carry in east on the N260 from Puigcerda? This will dictate your route back to the Tunnel. A nice route would be up through the Cevennes to Clermont Ferrand and then through the Morvan to Troyes. Again, you might need to consider using the A26 from Troyes to get back to the Tunnel due to the time/distance ratio.
 
As you can see, I've travelled a similar route each year


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Does when you went here, give you a start?

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Riding from Sutton down to the tunnel in the afternoon and staying in France might buy you a little extra time. If you want to ride to Ste Nazaire without using a motorway then you will need two lengthy days riding with an overnight stop probably where you cross the Seine or maybe Swiss Normandie if you want to ride for around 7 hours (then add time for stops).
The route to the Seine crossing largely runs alongside the A28 so you may as well get on it and make time. Others have suggested a way to get from Ste Naz to the Pyrenees.

Where will you jump off the N260? As soon as you enter Andorra? From Andorra will you start the journey north again or carry in east on the N260 from Puigcerda? This will dictate your route back to the Tunnel. A nice route would be up through the Cevennes to Clermont Ferrand and then through the Morvan to Troyes. Again, you might need to consider using the A26 from Troyes to get back to the Tunnel due to the time/distance ratio.
Riding to the tunnel from Sutton is around 270 miles. Sutton is just up Airedale from me. Around 5 miles away. We have ridden to the tunnel and then down to Troyes in a day numerous times. It’s a long day of around 550 miles but gets a lot of distance done quickly.
If going down the West side of France then crossing and turning west then Le Havre is probably a similar distance.
 
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The route in post #3 works, as it’s the most direct from St Nazaire. It’s probably dictated as much by time (Arsey is going home) as anything else. There is nothing wrong with going home, of course.

It shows the importance of giving the time available for what are long (900 plus miles) journeys and that’s just to get from Calais to Biescas, let alone your next sections. If you have three days in mind to go Calais > St Nazaire > Biescas, but plan on a day at the U-boat pens, leaving two days - all whilst avoiding motorways - you’d better get up and leave early.

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Not dictated by time at all. If it was I’d stick to the autoroute all the way .
 
Not dictated by time at all. If it was I’d stick to the autoroute all the way .

In the sense of: It’s the most direct (non-motorway) and not going further to the east, as an alternative route. It’s perfectly good. You can all but see it in the opening picture in post #1.

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Riding from Sutton down to the tunnel in the afternoon and staying in France might buy you a little extra time……

It’s all about the time and distances indeed.

Going over to France, if possible, the afternoon or evening before, is very good advice.
 
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OP, whilst not being specific about the roads ridden (ie. road numbers, places passed through) the opening three days or so of this trip report are not so very different to your planned jaunt.

OK, he starts in Roscoff, but trundles down the west side of France, to not a million miles from your second target location of Biesca.


It’s very broadly this:

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It’s a fairly popular and well trodden route, whether stating on the north west corner of France or the north east at Calais. Now just join Calais to St Nazaire.

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PS You could hack this around to substitute Calais for Caen and then bring in St Nazaire quite easily:

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It’s lifted straight off RiDE magazine’s webpage:

 
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Riding to the tunnel from Sutton is around 270 miles

I assumed it was the London suburb south of the river, based on probability of a 200k population over a 3k one, and choosing the tunnel to go to Brittany.

As you often say, anyone coming from the north should avoid London and the tunnel. As suggested by Wapping, if this is a northern chap, using an overnight Portsmouth ferry to St Malo would make much more sense.
 
Asking ViaMichelin to pump something out, results in pretty much the same, unsurprisingly:

The only significant and viable variations being maybe to swing around to the east, along the green line and / or or take a chunk of Normandy / Brittany, under the yellow shaded line. But those both take longer, as they are further.

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Your go now, OP.
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…using an overnight Portsmouth ferry to St Malo would make much more sense.

It would actually be better than going over an afternoon or evening earlier, to stay overnight near Calais / Boulogne, as you’d be booted off the overnight ferry at early o’clock, to be at least starting on the west side of France.

I looked at doing it for the jaunt to Sid’s do, down near Bordeaux. Unfortunately, I need to come back via Belgium and the single ticket prices (one for the St Malo crossing and one for the Chunnel or Dover ferry back) didn’t prove cost effective.
 
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It would actually be better than going over an afternoon or evening earlier, to stay overnight near Calais / Boulogne, as you’d be booted off the overnight ferry, at least to the west side of France.

I looked at doing it for the jaunt to Sid’s do, down near Bordeaux. Unfortunately, I need to come back via Belgium and the single ticket prices (one for the St Malo crossing and one for the Chunnel or Dover ferry back) didn’t prove cost effective.

it's a very popular route and they price like airlines. If the boat is nearly full the price goes up a lot and only the dearest cabins remain available. Brittany Ferries is only cost effective if you can book well in advance. I read somewhere that demand for their crossing has increased significantly as more people seek to avoid the mess in the last few years at the M20, Tunnel and Dover during busy times.
 


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