XT route and A/B direct route calculation issues

[Wapping]

Good news, so far at least.

er-minio’s bespoke route displays on my iPhone, running MyRoute’s Navigation app:



Let’s check the details.

A. Does the outline of the route look right? Yes.

B. Does the distance match? Yes

C. Does it contain 33 shaping points? Yes

D. Does it contain the two ‘hands’? Yes

E. Does the estimated time match? Yes

I pushed ‘Navigate’ on my phone. As far as I can tell, the bespoke route would run perfectly. Sadly, I can’t test that this morning….. but I’d be happy to use it, if I was about to leave home.

What does this tell us so far?

1. The bespoke route was created in BaseCamp but it displays / runs perfectly in MyRoute and on MyRoute’s separate and independent Navigstion app. We can therefore discount the oft spouted “BaseCamp is crap, mate”.

2. That there is nothing jumping out to tell us that there is some simple (or not so simple) error in the route itself.

This is encouraging at least.

Now to try to get the route into my XT….


PS I don’t worry too much about smallish discrepancies in distance and time when routes are displayed. I am only concerned when they differ greatly and / or if the outline of the route looks very different.

 

[JoeBiff]

My ongoing tuppeneth worth - but I don’t believe BaseCamp is the problems, either. It’s in the XT coding, as far as I can be sure.

 

[Wapping]

Good news.

I saved er-minio’s bespoke route as version 1.1 to my iPhone.

I then sent er-minio’s bespoke route from my iPhone to my XT, via Garmin’s Drive app.

A. Does the outline of the route ‘look right’? Yes.

B. Does the distance match? Yes, give or take a smidge. I don’t worry about a smallish discrepancy.

C. Does the estimated time look right? Close enough for me not to worry.

D. Does it contain the two ‘hands’, displayed on the XT as orange flags? Yes.

E. Does the route run on my XT? Yes.

Am I sure that the route would run without a problem? Yes, I would be happy to set off using it today.

CONCLUSIONS

1. As far as I can see, there is nothing wrong with er-minio’s bespoke route, created in BaseCamp.

2. We can therefore discount the ‘BaseCsmp is crap and the root of all problems’ statement.

3. That the route transfers to an XT and to the completely separate MyRoute Navigation app without any significant problems or differences, seems to confirm conclusion 1.

4. Everything tested (short of getting out and riding the route) points to everything being OK.

5. If so, that points only to:

A. Some unknown problem(s) within er-minio’s XT device itself.

B. Some unknown user error.

C. Something else, perhaps….. but if so, what? And please don’t say it’s BaseCamp

 

[Mzokk]

Brilliant and helpful posts Wapping. Couple of things.

1. Regarding the AB routing issue I think thats a function of the routing algorithm. You must be on the cusp of the faster time being "worth it" on the minor roads compared to its major roads preference. If you set off in the 70km direction it would likely settle down.

2. Some of the re-routing looks like repeated u turn behaviour from "imported routes" before you navigate a route on the XT start it then immediately save it as an Active Route (Thanks John Armstrong). It will then be saved as Trip and todays date (you can change this) in "Saved" routes. Routes are normally well behaved in these circumstances.

3. Could be Garmin and the XT just hate er-mino (my money is on that to be fair ) They are out to get him!!

Just off on the bike with the missus for a spot of lunch in the Glens of Antrim......great being retired.

 

[Wapping]

3. Could be Garmin and the XT just hate er-mino (my money is on that to be fair ) They are out to get him!!

I seem to recall that er-minio (who is otherwise a perfectly rational fellow….. for an Italian) had a problem with MyRoute or its Navigstion app, too. Maybe they all have him targeted? Is so, it must be the Covid inoculations, Bill Gates, the IMF and ‘Them’!

 

[Wapping]

For simple A to B routing, it is very hard to beat Google maps and /or Waze. That of course does nothing to resolve er-minio’s problem(s) with his XT.

 

[Berin]

Your problem is Basecamp. Utter rubbish.
Use my route or TomTom to plot and upload those and convert the tracks to route on the CT.
I never have any issues.

It’s not Basecamp, as the route is correctly calculated sufficiently well to create a track, which is correct.

It’s something in the XT. I have seen this, when a waypoint is missed and then it wants to go back that way point. I’ve solved that by skipping waypoint, but it does then sometimes recalculate the whole of the rest of the route, although this issue may not be that.

It’s possible to create the route in the XT, using the track as a guide and prodding the map with your finger, or just by following the track. As er minio says, you can create a waypoint using the map to navigate back to the track.

 

[Berin]

I’m ok traveling with tracks. I actually almost prefer it. Reach a junction, quick glance down at the gps and see where to go.

It’s a faff inside cities, but I can live with that for now.

It would be nice to be able to “navigate a track” (osmand does) but I don’t expect or demand it to do to be fair.

Main issue here is the recalculation problem when pointing the sat nav to a single point of destination. See my second video in the original message.

I’ll try again today, but seems unreliable even for A/B navigation. This wasn’t the case before.

You can navigate a track.

Homepage>tracks>select the track>go.

 

[JoeBiff]

It’s something in the XT. I have seen this, when a waypoint is missed and then it wants to go back that way point. I’ve solved that by skipping waypoint, but it does then sometimes recalculate the whole of the rest of the route, although this issue may not be that.

My thoughts, too.
Proven this past weekend when I created a route in BC and transferred to the XT.
I joined said route (and also deviated from it several times along it) and didn’t allow the XT to “recalculate” at any time.
The ETA to route-end it gave was wacky, wild and inaccurate - so much so, I took several screenshots over the latter part of the route, just for my own sanity.
Definitely, something going on IN the device itself. Or, not, as the case may be.

 

[er-minio]

3. Could be Garmin and the XT just hate er-mino (my money is on that to be fair ) They are out to get him!!

 

[er-minio]

You can navigate a track.

Yes, I do it often as for this long/simple routes I find it less an headache to use tracks. Navigating it gives you, at least, distance to arrival and/or time.
It doesn't redirect you to the track though (I can live with that) and doesn't announce big turns (I believe the Montana would?) but I can live without that too.

 

[er-minio]

Ok, I am home. Update time!


Problem #2: navigating A to B.

You must be on the cusp of the faster time being "worth it" on the minor roads compared to its major roads preference. If you set off in the 70km direction it would likely settle down.

I think you are correct.
This morning I rode with my friends through San Bernardo and arrived in Italy in Aosta.

From there I left and went on my own all the way to Tuscany. I was tired, it was hot and just blasted down the motorway and Aurelia. I set arrival on the zumo to the town where my place is and there were no recalculation issues, etc. All as expected.

I agree, the Swiss scenario might have been that, but the time difference between the two routings was 1.5 hours vs 3.5 hours.
I took more screenshots yesterday of that. I have to install the MPPT software on this Mac laptop (new) so I can extract the PNG images from the Zumo itself.

Problem #1, both Berin and Mzokk are on the ball. Especially this:

It’s something in the XT. I have seen this, when a waypoint is missed and then it wants to go back that way point. I’ve solved that by skipping waypoint, but it does then sometimes recalculate the whole of the rest of the route, although this issue may not be that.

2. Some of the re-routing looks like repeated u turn behaviour from "imported routes" before you navigate a route on the XT start it then immediately save it as an Active Route (Thanks John Armstrong). It will then be saved as Trip and todays date (you can change this) in "Saved" routes. Routes are normally well behaved in these circumstances.

I vaguely remembered something like this and I think this is exactly the issue. I'll try again these weeks and do the "save as active" trick.


Regarding MRA.
I really do not like MRA, especially their "file" management that looks like it came out of a web interface from 1998 and the impossibility to see all routes/tracks at the same time on the map. But I am making the "jump" at some point in the next few months. It's the only alternative.
I'm looking for another couple things... but I think MRA it's the only one.

Thanks all. As usual, good banter and helpful feedback!
Now it's Negroni time!

 

[Wapping]

I really do not like MRA, especially their "file" management that looks like it came out of a web interface from 1998 and the impossibility to see all routes/tracks at the same time on the map.

That is indeed a weakness, though it has improved, in that you can now display muliple routes at once, each coloured individually.

I think I remember a piece on the MyRoute forum, saying a better filing system was being worked on. Or maybe I just dreamed it.

 

[adventuredon]

FWIW I created an A to B route avoiding tolls in MRA. I added in waypoints. Ran it on I phone using the Next app. It did not avoid all toll roads which doesn’t help when you are on the entrance to the peage. It was frequently saved and synched. Not a solution but an offering to say that not All apps are necessarily better than bc.

 

[er-minio]

It's a work in progress. That's why I am "caving". I have an expectation for it getting better (it did). Lifetime is not terribly expensive.

 

[Wapping]

….before you navigate a route on the XT start it then immediately save it as an Active Route

Do you have a series of screen shots (or a link) to show how to do this, please.

Thanks.

 

[Wapping]

Do you have a series of screen shots (or a link) to show how to do this, please.

Thanks.

Scrap that.

I’ve just done it.

Though I can’t recall ever having suffered from the notorious U-turn problem on any routes I have created myself in MyRoute and then imported / run on my XT.

 

[Wapping]

It's a work in progress. That's why I am "caving". I have an expectation for it getting better (it did). Lifetime is not terribly expensive.

I would definitely recommend joining the MyRoute forum.

Some of it is repetitive moaning but the good definitely outweighs the bad. There are some really helpful people on it and regular updates from the MyRoute’s ownership team. Unlike Garmin, it’s much less ‘corporate’, unsurprisingly.

 

[Mzokk]

Ok, I am home. Update time!


Problem #2: navigating A to B.


I think you are correct.
This morning I rode with my friends through San Bernardo and arrived in Italy in Aosta.

From there I left and went on my own all the way to Tuscany. I was tired, it was hot and just blasted down the motorway and Aurelia. I set arrival on the zumo to the town where my place is and there were no recalculation issues, etc. All as expected.

I agree, the Swiss scenario might have been that, but the time difference between the two routings was 1.5 hours vs 3.5 hours.
I took more screenshots yesterday of that. I have to install the MPPT software on this Mac laptop (new) so I can extract the PNG images from the Zumo itself.

Problem #1, both Berin and Mzokk are on the ball. Especially this:



I vaguely remembered something like this and I think this is exactly the issue. I'll try again these weeks and do the "save as active" trick.


Regarding MRA.
I really do not like MRA, especially their "file" management that looks like it came out of a web interface from 1998 and the impossibility to see all routes/tracks at the same time on the map. But I am making the "jump" at some point in the next few months. It's the only alternative.
I'm looking for another couple things... but I think MRA it's the only one.

Thanks all. As usual, good banter and helpful feedback!
Now it's Negroni time!
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That looks first class. I could think of many worse places to "get lost" enjoy the rest of your trip

 

[Mzokk]

It's a work in progress. That's why I am "caving". I have an expectation for it getting better (it did). Lifetime is not terribly expensive.

You should give OSMand+ a go as well........just to see if its possible to make a mans head go on fire Top rant by the way