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I like them all;especially the clueless BMW haters !
And Stick makes me laugh with arsecrack or nutless...:D
And for the wood.I think they would make great key-chains with R 1250 GS,R 1250 XR and R 1250 S on it.
Why ?
Because they all give me wood despite having only 137 hp...:D
(If this remains to be true because somewhere else I have read that the displacement stays the same with 1170 meagerly cc and only new heads while giving more TORQUE 140NM but only a miserly 9 hp more as in 134 hp)
That would be only 1 hp more than the last aircooled boxer made.As the 2008 Hp2-S already made 133 hp !
Prepare to be disappointed...;)
 
Boxerlust said:
I like them all;especially the clueless BMW haters !
And Stick makes me laugh with arsecrack or nutless...:D
And for the wood.I think they would make great key-chains with R 1250 GS,R 1250 XR and R 1250 S on it.
Why ?
Because they all give me wood despite having only 137 hp...:D
(If this remains to be true because somewhere else I have read that the displacement stays the same with 1170 meagerly cc and only new heads while giving more TORQUE 140NM but only a miserly 9 hp more as in 134 hp)
That would be only 1 hp more than the last aircooled boxer made.As the 2008 Hp2-S already made 133 hp !
Prepare to be disappointed...;)
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Prepare to be disappointed indeed, as I spoke to my BMW dealer today, and they said the new GS will be 129bhp. ;)
 
@ Nutty your dealer is definitely wrong because complex VVL heads and only 4 hp more won't happen.
It would have been much easier and cheaper to bore the cylinders out and get 1300-1400 cc and get 140 hp and great TORQUE while saving the added mechanical complexity.
But if your dealer was referring to 129 R.W.H.P. that would be good because the old bikes made around 115-118 R.W.H.P...that would be close to 140 at the crank !
I guess BMW will play the game and bore them out come 2021 with EU-5 and give us 150 hp to entice us when Bruessels will make all motorcycles sound like Honda lawn-movers...:(
 
Boxerlust said:
@ Nutty your dealer is definitely wrong because complex VVL heads and only 4 hp more won't happen.
It would have been much easier and cheaper to bore the cylinders out and get 1300-1400 cc and get 140 hp and great TORQUE while saving the added mechanical complexity.
But if your dealer was referring to 129 R.W.H.P. that would be good because the old bikes made around 115-118 R.W.H.P...that would be close to 140 at the crank !
I guess BMW will play the game and bore them out come 2021 with EU-5 and give us 150 hp to entice us when Bruessels will make all motorcycles sound like Honda lawn-movers...:(
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Nope, that’s 129bhp at the crank, now confirmed by two dealers. The old bikes didn’t make anywhere near 115-118rwhp from the factory, more like 105. Once remapped, they made close to the figures you’ve mentioned.
 
The Nutty GSER said:
Nope, that’s 129bhp at the crank, now confirmed by two dealers. The old bikes didn’t make anywhere near 115-118rwhp from the factory, more like 105. Once remapped, they made close to the figures you’ve mentioned.
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Put mine on a dyno from new with full Ti Akra made 102 RWHP Hilltopped 113...wouldnt pull the skin of a rice pudding

The old Twin Cam was a much Better Motor
 
Sorry if your LC made 113 at the rear wheel after a Hilltop session you got screwed.
On the same dyno the same day where my 2016 R9T with Akra slip-on made 102 rwhp my 2017 GS-ADV with Akra E3 slip-on made 117 rwhp !
In worst case scenario the new engine will still have still only 1170 cc but the new heads with high torque/high hp cam will make 10 hp/15nm more !
But definitely no 129 hp at the crank like your dealer misquoted...because the first light crank 2013/2014 R1200GS-LC made already 128 hp at the crank...later ones where always good for 123-126hp.
The old TC boxers from 2010 on make around 107 and 112 hp at the crank or around 100 at the rear wheel...If your LC made 102 at Hilltop before and then 113 after your definitely got played and got nothing for your money as stock LC's are at least good for 115 hp at the rear wheel !
 
BMW now confirmed as an old mans bike. Why can't we have proper power?
 
Boxerlust said:
Sorry if your LC made 113 at the rear wheel after a Hilltop session you got screwed.
On the same dyno the same day where my 2016 R9T with Akra slip-on made 102 rwhp my 2017 GS-ADV with Akra E3 slip-on made 117 rwhp !
In worst case scenario the new engine will still have still only 1170 cc but the new heads with high torque/high hp cam will make 10 hp/15nm more !
But definitely no 129 hp at the crank like your dealer misquoted...because the first light crank 2013/2014 R1200GS-LC made already 128 hp at the crank...later ones where always good for 123-126hp.
The old TC boxers from 2010 on make around 107 and 112 hp at the crank or around 100 at the rear wheel...If your LC made 102 at Hilltop before and then 113 after your definitely got played and got nothing for your money as stock LC's are at least good for 115 hp at the rear wheel !
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Your figures are way off, and you’re living in a bubble if you think stock LC’s make 115bhp at the rear wheel from the factory. Have a look at the threads on here and other forums, and there are hundreds (if not thousands) of people who have taken their bikes there with between 100-105 rwhp from the factory. ;)
 
Interesting thread. Technology advances and filters to bikes.

People shouting for power that they can’t use. If everyone was riding on the edge and it was obvious more was needed then maybe there’s a need.

But how many are? How many are using all of the current BHP allocation on their bikes and actually needing more?

Or how many egos are requiring it?

Through previous employment I gained mobile covert surveillance and pursuit qualifications and I ride out with much better bikers (still employed in roles that require those skills) than me who don’t use everything they have in the BHP area. I certainly don’t.

So why want more than you can possibly use?

Edited to add I’m on a loan 9RT whilst my oxidation is replaced and the 9RT feels underpowered when compared to my GS but it still has more than can be used on the road.
 
The Nutty GSER said:
Your figures are way off, and you’re living in a bubble if you think stock LC’s make 115bhp at the rear wheel from the factory. Have a look at the threads on here and other forums, and there are hundreds (if not thousands) of people who have taken their bikes there with between 100-105 rwhp from the factory. ;)
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Yep - that would mean that they are only loosing 8% of their power between Crank and and the rear wheel :blast

He has clearly been drinking the BMW koolaid again ;)
 
SA9819 said:
Interesting thread. Technology advances and filters to bikes.

People shouting for power that they can’t use. If everyone was riding on the edge and it was obvious more was needed then maybe there’s a need.

But how many are? How many are using all of the current BHP allocation on their bikes and actually needing more?

Or how many egos are requiring it?

Through previous employment I gained mobile covert surveillance and pursuit qualifications and I ride out with much better bikers (still employed in roles that require those skills) than me who don’t use everything they have in the BHP area. I certainly don’t.

So why want more than you can possibly use?

Edited to add I’m on a loan 9RT whilst my oxidation is replaced and the 9RT feels underpowered when compared to my GS but it still has more than can be used on the road.
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How do you know they can't use more power? You can't apply one logic to all riders
 
Does anyone out of interest as we have a few Ktm owners on this post have actual figures of the 1290 s ( not the r as this is the higher powered motor) I’m sure I read somewhere that they have around 130 to 137 at the wheel .
So I’d hope with current figures I have to hand , ie my bike 110 at the wheel , based on a 125 motor. If the new motor could make 125 at the wheel that would be well enough to make the bm a great package , if we got to 130 even better as the Gs chassis is the best out there .
 
Boxerlust said:
Sorry if your LC made 113 at the rear wheel after a Hilltop session you got screwed.
On the same dyno the same day where my 2016 R9T with Akra slip-on made 102 rwhp my 2017 GS-ADV with Akra E3 slip-on made 117 rwhp !
In worst case scenario the new engine will still have still only 1170 cc but the new heads with high torque/high hp cam will make 10 hp/15nm more !
But definitely no 129 hp at the crank like your dealer misquoted...because the first light crank 2013/2014 R1200GS-LC made already 128 hp at the crank...later ones where always good for 123-126hp.
The old TC boxers from 2010 on make around 107 and 112 hp at the crank or around 100 at the rear wheel...If your LC made 102 at Hilltop before and then 113 after your definitely got played and got nothing for your money as stock LC's are at least good for 115 hp at the rear wheel !
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I thought i got a lot for my money..10% increase in power and perfect fueliing for 250 quid..The Akra Can does nothing to increase power, just looks the business and sounds better, also the Ti Headers can rob the power because or the very thin wall construction, but it does show the Hilltop Dyno is giving true Readings because the Bike in my avitar, My Panigale 1299 r Gave 197 rwhp 107 ft ib
 
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