1250 it is !

[Deleted account 211025001]

Interesting thread. Technology advances and filters to bikes.

People shouting for power that they can’t use........................

So why want more than you can possibly use?

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I pretty much agree with all you've written there but and it's a big BUT, as a general principle more power does bring benefits to ordinary riding be it two up with luggage and effortless overtakes or that odd occasion when you're the only vehicle on the road that stretches to the horizon and you just open her up for the sheer hell of it and scare yourself shitless

My background / love is smaller bikes and in particular Supermotos. Now I can ride faster round the back lanes of Derbyshire on a SM than I can on my 1190R depsite the KTM having three times the horsepower. I'll be wringing the SM's neck and pushing it hard (all part of the fun), the KTM won't even break a sweat (not so much fun) so why don't we all ride around on 120kg bikes with 50bhp?

Again, on main roads and if I'm on my 40 year old Guzzi I get from A to B just as quick as on my 1190R (as long as I'm behaving myself/staying legal) so what's the point of the KTM ?

Do you see where I'm going with this. I agree chasing ultimate bhp isn't the be all and end all and a good example of that is the WC which in an attempt to become a fast bike lost so much that made the twin cam GS such a good bike, it's become neither fish nor foul..............

Bikes aren't supposed to be practical, they are supposed to be fun and that then is when shit like 'the power being enough' goes out the window,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ramble over

Andres

 

[Paul S]

Does anyone out of interest as we have a few Ktm owners on this post have actual figures of the 1290 s ( not the r as this is the higher powered motor) I’m sure I read somewhere that they have around 130 to 137 at the wheel .
So I’d hope with current figures I have to hand , ie my bike 110 at the wheel , based on a 125 motor. If the new motor could make 125 at the wheel that would be well enough to make the bm a great package , if we got to 130 even better as the Gs chassis is the best out there .

Go on as long as you don't fall out with me as well

My 1290S (allegedly 160 at the crank) made 134 BHP at rear wheel with just an Arrow slip on can. After Hilltop 140BHP but with some really impressive gains in the mid range torque

I know you keep going on about how good the GS chassis is but talking from experience IMO my 1290S is actually better - not much it in though

 

[stick]

Go on as long as you don't fall out with me as well

My 1290S (allegedly 160 at the crank) made 134 BHP at rear wheel with just an Arrow slip on can. After Hilltop 140BHP but with some really impressive gains in the mid range torque

I know you keep going on about how good the GS chassis is but talking from experience IMO my 1290S is actually better - not much it in though

Thanks for the info , we all prefere different things and on the chassis it’s a bit like marmite both ways.
I just can’t find the feel with the chassis on the Ktm , good as the motor was I just could not connect the two . The bm for me just jells , and with more power will be great . I don’t think it needs the 1290 s figures as the engines in character are so different .
I ride at the top of the range and feel that with the extra we may be offered I can have the power you may sometimes yearn for .
Again thanks for the info as when I posted I though I was gonna get shot at lol

 

[Skid06]

I love my GS and would never sell it...But my lower powered DCT Africa Twin is a better bike and just as quick

 

[Paul S]

Again thanks for the info as when I posted I though I was gonna get shot at lol

As said before it is possible to just get along

GS and KTM riders just getting along

 

[EKIMYRF]

Please find the lorry ,I’m bored by you now
Oh I hope to god you don’t have kids as you are fuckin odd and I would worry for their Welfare
You need help , have a wank , kick your dog ( girlfriend / boyfriend ) or if there is a long drop , don’t worry it’s fine , it won’t hurt , but it will do us all a favour. Do one idiot please ..... ride like a god and die pllleeeesssea

Are you seriously telling Andres you want him to:

a) Die by hitting a lorry (truck for our NorCal friends)
b) Hang himself

Is that normal behavior to you ?

 

[Deleted account 190920002]

Just as a calming subject I’ve enjoyed all my bikes from brits to japs to jerries all been good stepping stones to my biking life. Wouldn’t part with my gsa but accept that other riders have the same feeling about theirs. Looking back over fifty four years of biking the bits that really stood out have been my mates ( some tragically gone now) and the great times along with the arguments over which bike really rings your bell. But I’ve taken it all in good heart, hell! there is enough angst in this world as it is without making more about nowt that really matters. Is there?

 

[Paul S]

Are you seriously telling Andres you want him to:

a) Die by hitting a lorry (truck for our NorCal friends)
b) Hang himself

Is that normal behavior to you ?

.................bit of a delayed reaction

 

[EKIMYRF]

.................bit of a delayed reaction

Only just read it all

 

[deksawyer]

Does anyone out of interest as we have a few Ktm owners on this post have actual figures of the 1290 s ( not the r as this is the higher powered motor) I’m sure I read somewhere that they have around 130 to 137 at the wheel .

The engines are identical, no difference.

 

[autogs]

The engines are identical, no difference.

i must be very odd,after doing some laps of thruxton and that ring place in that there germany the only thing i would want from the new gs is better brakes ?, preparing for incoming

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

Only just read it all

Anything interesting to add to the discussion about the bike.........

 

[Troppo]

Anything interesting to add to the discussion about the bike.........

I reckon it will be a beauty.

 

[stick]

The engines are identical, no difference.

Opps , I thought they had down tunned the 1290s a bit to clam it down from its nutter brother .

 

[Weird Bob]

Interesting thread. Technology advances and filters to bikes.

People shouting for power that they can’t use. If everyone was riding on the edge and it was obvious more was needed then maybe there’s a need.

But how many are? How many are using all of the current BHP allocation on their bikes and actually needing more?

I can’t speak for anyone else but I know I don’t use a fraction of the bhp on a day to day basis. The only time I would ever call upon all of the ponies is to over take a cluster of cars on a back road during a gap in traffic.
But.... I have felt the difference in power in all of the various GSs I have owned. What I have been feeling is the torque increases in all of them and torque I call upon all of the time. The two go hand in glove (unless we want to go diesel) and if the bike will pull strongly from 3 or 4K rpm without me having to kick down then I’m happy because I’m naturally a lazy sod.
Like a kid who gets a present but plays with the box - I buy the bhp but what I want is the torque


On an aside note I had a r9t Urban GS for a couple of weeks and it was the most fun I have had on a bike in years even though I was slower everywhere (I am going to say it was because it was on knobblies but really cause I’m crap) and I still didn’t tap most of its power.

 

[stick]

I pretty much agree with all you've written there but and it's a big BUT, as a general principle more power does bring benefits to ordinary riding be it two up with luggage and effortless overtakes or that odd occasion when you're the only vehicle on the road that stretches to the horizon and you just open her up for the sheer hell of it and scare yourself shitless

My background / love is smaller bikes and in particular Supermotos. Now I can ride faster round the back lanes of Derbyshire on a SM than I can on my 1190R depsite the KTM having three times the horsepower. I'll be wringing the SM's neck and pushing it hard (all part of the fun), the KTM won't even break a sweat (not so much fun) so why don't we all ride around on 120kg bikes with 50bhp?

Again, on main roads and if I'm on my 40 year old Guzzi I get from A to B just as quick as on my 1190R (as long as I'm behaving myself/staying legal) so what's the point of the KTM ?

Do you see where I'm going with this. I agree chasing ultimate bhp isn't the be all and end all and a good example of that is the WC which in an attempt to become a fast bike lost so much that made the twin cam GS such a good bike, it's become neither fish nor foul..............

Bikes aren't supposed to be practical, they are supposed to be fun and that then is when shit like 'the power being enough' goes out the window,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ramble over

Andres

Good points and agree , good post apart from the fish or foul bit but we can always differ lol

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

With speed limits dropping like flies, well is it really important more BHP unless racing on a track, but I personally find even 2 up and fully loaded, to BMW weight limit, the 2017 has far than enough power to pull uphill and overtake at ease.

 

[Paul S]

Opps , I thought they had down tunned the 1290s a bit to clam it down from its nutter brother .

Other way round - both the S (more road orientated version with 19" front wheel) and the R (more off road orientated version with 21" front wheel) have 160 BHP at the crank. The R can have a map downloaded to use in conjunction with full on knobbley tyres which I believe restricts max speed to 140mph or something like that.

 

[Engineer]

BMW now confirmed as an old mans bike. Why can't we have proper power?

especially the 1150

 

[Engineer]

I ran my 2018 Rallye TE in properly and it now makes about 135 at the rear wheel - I don't really need any more.