1250 it is !

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JohnnyBoxer said:
The 2004 1200 GS was a weight saving revelation, now the 1200WC's are heavier than a 1150 already and the 1250 GSA is a fully 10kg heavier now than a 1150 GSA
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I'm not sure there's much they can do about it though, other than strip the bike back to basics, which seemingly doesn't sell. I'm guessing that creeping weight is due to things like ESA, quick shifts, ABS etc. I don't think there's been much development in metals / alloys so there's no reason the weight will get any less. The dry weight of the current bike is similar to the KTM 1290 isn't it? And the Triumph and all the other competition.
 
sagalout said:
I'm not sure there's much they can do about it though, other than strip the bike back to basics, which seemingly doesn't sell. I'm guessing that creeping weight is due to things like ESA, quick shifts, ABS etc. I don't think there's been much development in metals / alloys so there's no reason the weight will get any less. The dry weight of the current bike is similar to the KTM 1290 isn't it? And the Triumph and all the other competition.
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They could save weight buy using more exotic materials, but then we’d whinge about the cost.
 
Outtomunch said:
Ditching shaft drive and the TL front end would make a significant difference.

Oh, and reducing the wheel size to 17".

Andres
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But those are the very things that make it soooooo good compared to the ‘also rans’.
 
Outtomunch said:
Ditching shaft drive and the TL front end would make a significant difference.

Oh, and reducing the wheel size to 17".

Andres
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How is the KTM so heavy with a chain and conventional suspension?

Personally I wouldn't want them to drop the shaft drive - I hate chains. TL I'm not bothered either way.
 
Most riders on here could lose 10kgs by not eating so many pies.....makes me laugh when fat old men go on about heavy bikes...

Time for a Tmax guys... suck it up.
 
sagalout said:
I'm not sure there's much they can do about it though, other than strip the bike back to basics, which seemingly doesn't sell. I'm guessing that creeping weight is due to things like ESA, quick shifts, ABS etc. I don't think there's been much development in metals / alloys so there's no reason the weight will get any less. The dry weight of the current bike is similar to the KTM 1290 isn't it? And the Triumph and all the other competition.
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And then there is the question of payload - with a pillion and luggage I am probably adding getting on for 200 Kg to the bike, with the max payload being 216 Kg I believe. One of the great things about the GS is how well it handles this sort of load - better for two-up touring than any other bike I have tried. With the bike weighing 244 Kg (GS) and a bit more for the GSA the maximum payload is getting close to the weight of the bike. If the bike was much lighter, say sub-200 Kg, then the max payload might well be reduced accordingly, and even if not, it might not be so stable with a near maximum load.
 
sagalout said:
How is the KTM so heavy with a chain and conventional suspension?

Personally I wouldn't want them to drop the shaft drive - I hate chains. TL I'm not bothered either way.
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The KTM Super Adventure T with 30l tank weighs as much as a GS LC. Dry 229 kg vs dry 229 kg. Food for thought.
 
sagalout said:
How is the KTM so heavy with a chain and conventional suspension?

Personally I wouldn't want them to drop the shaft drive - I hate chains. TL I'm not bothered either way.
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I dunno, maybe they don't have to try so hard to beat the competition so haven't bothered :nenau ;)
However 230kg fully fuelled and oiled for the KTM compared to the new GS's fully fuelled and oiled at around 260kg ~ add another 8kg for the GSA ~ that's quite a significant difference.

I was being facetious, to an extent though, and totally realise the a GS without a TL front and shaft rear would not be a GS.

Andres
 
Given the shaft drive, and an engine configuration which precludes integrated cylinder blocks and heads, then I think the GS does quite well on weight, with 244 Kg wet being fairly competitive for the size and capabilities of the bike. I once owned a Honda NC750X DCT and that weighed 232 Kg while only making 50 bhp. I have also owned a Triumph Trophy and despite it weighing about 330 Kg I found the GS to be a better two-up tourer. The more directly comparable Triumphs like the Tiger 1200 weigh nearly as much dry as the GS does wet and have the weight higher up. Of course a bit less weight would be welcome, but it is difficult to see how that could be achieved without using more exotic and expensive materials which would make the bike even more expensive.
 
Boxerlust said:
The H2 is faster than a GS on the Autobahn for sure.
But straight line speed does not interest me as I live for turns and here the H2 is dead slow,heavy & ponderous...
In a straight line a S1000RR is just as fast as the supercharged Kawasaki despite having the same displacement and no forced induction...which makes me wonder what the supercharger is good for as in roll-on the Kawasaki is not faster either...?
If a bike like this I'd rather have a black K1300S...almost as fast but better looking and shaft-drive !
But anyways if you like that ugly beast...enjoy...:beerjug:
To each their own !
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The H2 SX certainly ain’t dead slow and heavy in a bend. The handling is fantastic , solid like on rails but plenty of feedback and much lighter than I expected.

Suggest you actually ride one before talking more bollox !
 
Outtomunch said:
You could be right, I was comparing the weight of my R against a vanilla GS.

Anyway, to an extent it's academic, they are all bloated, overweight bikes IMO regardless of frame colour.

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Yeah, I think it depends on what you want out of a bike. 90% touring and 10% gentle offroad the GS and SA are great and not heavy compared to a traditional tourer. Obviously as the offroad % goes up then lighter = better. I'm tempted by the 1090R for my next bike (if I can face going back to a chain for winter commuting) - that looks the perfect blend of weight and power for a bit more offroad....or possibly even the 790 when that comes out.
 
I get it now...Fast for some guys here is a big motor and and a straight line and open that throttle.
Any monkey can do that.But motorcycle riding is for me about CURVES not boring straights.
And bikes like the H2 are next to Hayabusa and ZZR the worst bikes for turns for obvious reasons.
But for stability which you need for straight line speed.But why such big bikes if a S1000RR is even faster in a straight line and still can handle turns ?
Oh well...
As for the GS of course an all new one lighter and more powerful would be better !
But why should be do it as they still outsell any KTM or Ducati or that Afreeka tweeny by a HUGE margin ?
The 2019 one will make the gap even bigger.More power and TORQUE is always good as also 84 cc more displacement...not hugely exiting as 150 hp and 40 lbs less would be but the GS will still be the best selling big capacity street bike because it is the Best...:thumb2
Why would someone buy a KTM that look ugly/plasticy have plenty of hobby horse forkdive and no drive shaft ? Who cares if Lorenzo won the last MotoGP race...;)
The GS is the best package with boxer,TL and driveshaft...:beerjug:
Same the Porsche 911with the "wrong" engine configuration the most iconic,most sold and fastest sports-car on the 'Ring...beating so called "supercars" for the ueber-rich...who cares about cars anyways as they are all boring and cock-extensions for ugly guys with fat wallets.
Motorcycles are way more fun !

As for slightly more weight and less noise and less power than expected - Thank the arseholes in Brussels !
I can only imagine how beautiful as in quiet,big and heavy the 2020 KTM and Ducati Euro-5 exhaust systems will be...:D
I expect an all new GS much lighter thanks to CF in 2023 for BMW Motorrad 100th anniversary !
Until then I give the 1250 a try...:thumb
And if you want big numbers go to the Hilltop dyno with it's before/after setting...the 1250 before will make 115 and after 129 rwhp like any stock 2019 will make...;)
17 inch wheel GS package and a stronger 145-150 R 1250 RS are still good possibilities as rumors say...:thumby:
 
Boxerloser, I know you’re a Merkin so obviously prone to utter bullshit but I really do suggest you ride a bike before claiming to know all of it’s traits .
You’re only making yourself look an even bigger cock than usual .
 
Still do not know what all the screaming about the weight is about, because at the end of the day, it is only heavier when trying to lift it or hold it at an angle at slow speed, otherwise, the weight is lovely stops you getting blown all over the road by the trucks.
 
Boxerlust said:
21 inch wheel GS package and a stronger 110bhp at the rear wheel R 1250 GS are more realistic
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Corrected for you.

The only rumours are being started by you, you complete and utter bellend.
 
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