Forgot to add,they also take your finger prints and photo on the return. Reason why?, answers on a postcard.
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It's as simple as that.
They are now doing much the same outside the EU now. Izmir airport (Turkey) last year. They took photos on the way in, then took and matched photos on the way out. Doddle.
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Photos/fingerprints in and out will preclude the need to stamp passports. They'll have a digital record of when you arrived and when you left, rather than needing to flick through passports pages to find the info.
In reality, if passports were scanned through every entry and exit point, there would be this digital record anyway. Unfortunately, Johnny Foreigner has show a predilection for just waving people through from time to time. Whether that is through resource shortages, laziness or something more sinister is open for debate. For example, I would put money on the French border police continuing to "forget" to scan passports of people they suspect are illegal entrants into France/Schengen area in order that their presence in France cannot be proven and therefore the UK cannot return them.
I suspect someone somewhere thought it would be a good idea to add an additional level of comfort that it was indeed you, and not someone else using your passport. And 100 people can process themselves via the eGates system with only a couple of officers supervising. If there are delays...*insert Gallic shrug here."
In reality, if passports were scanned through every entry and exit point, there would be this digital record anyway. Unfortunately, Johnny Foreigner has show a predilection for just waving people through from time to time. Whether that is through resource shortages, laziness or something more sinister is open for debate. For example, I would put money on the French border police continuing to "forget" to scan passports of people they suspect are illegal entrants into France/Schengen area in order that their presence in France cannot be proven and therefore the UK cannot return them.
I suspect someone somewhere thought it would be a good idea to add an additional level of comfort that it was indeed you, and not someone else using your passport. And 100 people can process themselves via the eGates system with only a couple of officers supervising. If there are delays...*insert Gallic shrug here."
Do the French get many illegal immigrants across their borders via E gates ? Most surely come by land from other countries in Schengen.
Haha, glad I am not the only one to spot this prime example of bollocks from the hard of thinking brigade.
Most will be coming in via boats to Italian Islands, from Turkey into the Balkans or trafficked by Putin from Russia into his effective client states, Slovakia and Hungary.
I can well remember when the UK’s passport bods did not check passports of anyone leaving Heathrow. That the ‘officers’ did not wear a uniform was the icing on the cake.
“Not fit for purpose” was, I believe, the description, when it was revealed that the agency had leased a warehouse loft to ‘lose’ umpteen files.
Hey ho, we’ve got the secure borders we were promised, the Poles have all fucked off and the High Streets’ lampposts (and the A13) are bedecked with the flag of the Union, so all is well in the green and pleasant.
“Not fit for purpose” was, I believe, the description, when it was revealed that the agency had leased a warehouse loft to ‘lose’ umpteen files.
Hey ho, we’ve got the secure borders we were promised, the Poles have all fucked off and the High Streets’ lampposts (and the A13) are bedecked with the flag of the Union, so all is well in the green and pleasant.
UK border control doesn’t check the passports of anyone leaving Heathrow. They haven’t for years.
I guess we don’t give a fuck who is off to Dubai.
Maybe not done by a border guard in a booth but Air/ferry operators have been checking and reporting passport details to HMG for about 10 years now (aka Advance Passenger Information).
Or anywhere, it seems.
Having subcontracted the responsibility, the tea hut merchants should be able to get on with…. Oooh….. something (indeed anything) useful.
It’s true that APIS details are collected, but the pretty cursory glance at your passport by check in staff at the gate is just to ensure that your passport details match your tocket. The APIS data may not be current and your passport is not always scanned.
As well as fingerprints and photograph being taken,passport is also still stamped,inward and outward.
When EES is fully established and integrated, passports will no longer be stamped on entry to (or exit from) the EU. In other words our digital identities (face, finger prints and passport details) will be matched, along with our entry and exit to the EU area and - where appropriate - the number of days we have spent in the EU area totalled up.
For EU passport holders, the number of days spent are irrelevant. For non-EU citizens, the number of days spent is limited to 90 days in any 180 day period. As non-EU passport holders, the majority of UK citizens are subject to the 90 day rule. In short, a peasant from Portugal hasxmore rights than a British subject, whilst a British subject has no more rights than a peasant from China. When it comes to our relationship to upwards of 450,000,000 of our nearest neighbours, we (Great Britain) have been reduced to that of Chinese peasants.
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Aren’t non EU citizens already limited to 90/180 days?
Yes, but - at the moment - the days between entry / exit have to be evidenced by stamps in a non-EU citizen’s passport. The digitalised system will, when fully implemented, dispense with the stamps.
I've done mine on a recent trip to Girona in the airport a bit of a queue and a busy body lady trying to select my answers for me before I'd read the screen but otherwise painless.
Last week a visit to Santander ferry and the infrastructure is all set up but not live. The face scanners are at passport control, how that will work for passengers who will have to get out the car is going to be interesting.
I've had my passport stamped twice since registering.
Last week a visit to Santander ferry and the infrastructure is all set up but not live. The face scanners are at passport control, how that will work for passengers who will have to get out the car is going to be interesting.
I've had my passport stamped twice since registering.
We had to get out of the car at Rotterdam in January. It added around 40 seconds to the exit. A quick scan and back in the car and away.
Gibraltar last night.
Entry enabled her ladyship to complete EES and transit the border in about 40s but coming out was a different story, failed biometrics and much shrugging of shoulders, waved through.
Algeciras, both biometrics scans worked as Glenn says.
Entry enabled her ladyship to complete EES and transit the border in about 40s but coming out was a different story, failed biometrics and much shrugging of shoulders, waved through.
Algeciras, both biometrics scans worked as Glenn says.
