Gear changes

Clutch

Same problem can't get neutral most times now done 4600 miles, occasionally ok, all other gears selected smoothly. Dealer ordering new clutch, but on back order, which tells its own story. Apparently some bikes have been found to have clutch plates stuck together.:Motomartin
 
Mine has 4500 kms. Trying to push it in the morning with 1st gear engaged and clutch in is almost impossible. Upon firing her up, still in 1st gear and with clutch all the way in, I get a good jump forward. For the first 10-15 minutes of riding, neutral is hard to find from 1st gear up, a bit less so from 2nd down. Selecting 1st gear seems to get noisier with time (I've had the bike since the end of March.) If I do it fast, I get a good clunk. If I do it slowly, I get a frightening noisy rattle of gears. Yes, just as if the clutch didn't disengage properly. 1st through 3rd is almost always clunky, though with great care I can sometimes minimize clunk form 2nd to 3rd. From 3rd up, if I use the right technique, or clutchless changes (the smoothest way), everything is smooth. Going down through the gears is difficult to do smoothly. I always keep pre-load down on the lever, then try clutchless, blipping the throttle, tiny amounts of clutch-in... you name it, but it rarely shifts down without some noise.

Would you say this a case of bad clutch? I am soooo sure my dealer will go «They all do the same.»
 
Mine has 4500 kms. Trying to push it in the morning with 1st gear engaged and clutch in is almost impossible. Upon firing her up, still in 1st gear and with clutch all the way in, I get a good jump forward. For the first 10-15 minutes of riding, neutral is hard to find from 1st gear up, a bit less so from 2nd down. Selecting 1st gear seems to get noisier with time (I've had the bike since the end of March.) If I do it fast, I get a good clunk. If I do it slowly, I get a frightening noisy rattle of gears. Yes, just as if the clutch didn't disengage properly. 1st through 3rd is almost always clunky, though with great care I can sometimes minimize clunk form 2nd to 3rd. From 3rd up, if I use the right technique, or clutchless changes (the smoothest way), everything is smooth. Going down through the gears is difficult to do smoothly. I always keep pre-load down on the lever, then try clutchless, blipping the throttle, tiny amounts of clutch-in... you name it, but it rarely shifts down without some noise.

Would you say this a case of bad clutch? I am soooo sure my dealer will go «They all do the same.»

This were my symptoms too, and finally after dissamble the clutch it was visible the premature warn of the clutch discs, the first ones were completely blue.
The dealer replace the complete unit and until now, it's all ok.
 
Mine has 4500 kms. Trying to push it in the morning with 1st gear engaged and clutch in is almost impossible. Upon firing her up, still in 1st gear and with clutch all the way in, I get a good jump forward. For the first 10-15 minutes of riding, neutral is hard to find from 1st gear up, a bit less so from 2nd down. Selecting 1st gear seems to get noisier with time (I've had the bike since the end of March.) If I do it fast, I get a good clunk. If I do it slowly, I get a frightening noisy rattle of gears. Yes, just as if the clutch didn't disengage properly. 1st through 3rd is almost always clunky, though with great care I can sometimes minimize clunk form 2nd to 3rd. From 3rd up, if I use the right technique, or clutchless changes (the smoothest way), everything is smooth. Going down through the gears is difficult to do smoothly. I always keep pre-load down on the lever, then try clutchless, blipping the throttle, tiny amounts of clutch-in... you name it, but it rarely shifts down without some noise.

Would you say this a case of bad clutch? I am soooo sure my dealer will go «They all do the same.»

Have you flown over here and stolen my bike as they are the same concerns I have. Though i would add that the gear change is worse with higher revs.
I have seen a post somewhere that BMW have someone looking into problems with the clutch or gearbox but it is possibly only a rumour.

There is a lot of speculation as to the root cause
1) Incorrect oil grade
2) Dry clutch plates
3) Clutch plates stuck together
4) Warped clutch plates
5) Blued clutch plates
6) Incorrect size of either master or slave clutch cylinders

So for my thoughts on it

1) Could possible cause clutch drag if to thick, possible excessive wear if to thin. I am not convinced this is the cause
2) Wet clutch need to be wet or it will wear and get hot
3) I f the plates were permanently stuck together then you would have to stall the bike to stop it, the clutch would not disengage at all. I think if the plates were stuck together then the bike would have had to have been unused for a very long time pos years. or the clutch basket would have to be very worn with the edges of the clutch plates catching in the wear groves on the clutch basket.
4) This sound like a likely symptom, The plate become warped due to heat build up causing the clutch to drag
5) Clutch plates have over heated blued and warped
6) If the clutch is not fully disengaging due to mismatched clutch cylinder sizes then clutch drag heat build up etc

The only common denominator to me is heat build up due to either clutch not getting enough oil or clutch not fully disengaging (clutch cyl sizes ratios etc)
Sorry for just stating the obvious but as you can see finding the route cause will need the engagement of BMW engineers.

If anyone has any other thought then please share them as my bike is going in for new plates next Thursday and I am hoping that will fix it.
 
Surely the 1 million miles of testing would have shown this up:nenau

Or were the testers deaf mutes?
 
Surely the 1 million miles of testing would have shown this up:nenau

Or were the testers deaf mutes?

O its no good I cant help myself

Perhaps they were all playing pinball wizard

it may have been the same engineers that were sorting out the problems with the (not a complete list but feel free to add to it)

fuel pump controllers
ring antennas
And please lets not forget the perennial favourite "final drive" because if you think that swapping sides is going to fix it then I don't and if it was me I would have completely redesigned it and made it look differently just to give people confidence.

So a prize to the unfortunate rider with the first final drive failure.

ROLL UP ROLL UP FOR YOUR CHANCE TO BE IMORTALISED IN THE BMW HALL OF F*** UPS

Sorry about that but I need at least one rant per hour to keep me sane
 
O its no good I cant help myself

Perhaps they were all playing pinball wizard

it may have been the same engineers that were sorting out the problems with the (not a complete list but feel free to add to it)

fuel pump controllers
ring antennas
And please lets not forget the perennial favourite "final drive" because if you think that swapping sides is going to fix it then I don't and if it was me I would have completely redesigned it and made it look differently just to give people confidence.

So a prize to the unfortunate rider with the first final drive failure.

ROLL UP ROLL UP FOR YOUR CHANCE TO BE IMORTALISED IN THE BMW HALL OF F*** UPS

Sorry about that but I need at least one rant per hour to keep me sane

Very good:thumb2
 
In my experience, sometimes it snicks into gear with barely a clonk. Other times I feel I must be on a tractor! So I conclude that there is a technique to be learned - but unfortunately I do not have it yet. Or, at least, I only have it about 25% of the time!!!

Same for me & mine's done 13,000 miles !
 
Hi my lc has now done 900miles and goes in for 1st service next week , has anyone experienced clunky gear changes mainly 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th, hope it gets better, but overhaul a wicked machine,
2/3/4 is poor but 4th down to 3rd is shite spoiling the bike
 
Mine is a March 2017 bike and I reported a couple of problems at the first service, but was told it would get better - needless to say it hasn't and I'm now on about 1500 miles. The most maddening is that the longer I've been riding the harder it appears to be to find neutral. It just slips effortlessly from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 1st without ever dropping into neutral, no matter how ridiculously gently I try to nudge it. I always get it eventually but it can sometimes take quite a few attempts. The new gearbox internals seem to have eliminated the clonk going from neutral into 1st when first setting off, but it is still there once underway, on the odd occasion when I have actually managed to find neutral at a junction! As far as changing gear generally, all the down changes are fine with a little blip, and the only problem with up changes is from 1st to 2nd. This always feels horrible. Maybe I'm not being positive or forceful enough, but I can feel a vibration through the lever, with three or four jolts as if the gear teeth are clashing before it actually goes in.

Fred
 
Mine is a March 2017 bike and I reported a couple of problems at the first service, but was told it would get better - needless to say it hasn't and I'm now on about 1500 miles. The most maddening is that the longer I've been riding the harder it appears to be to find neutral. It just slips effortlessly from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 1st without ever dropping into neutral, no matter how ridiculously gently I try to nudge it. I always get it eventually but it can sometimes take quite a few attempts. The new gearbox internals seem to have eliminated the clonk going from neutral into 1st when first setting off, but it is still there once underway, on the odd occasion when I have actually managed to find neutral at a junction! As far as changing gear generally, all the down changes are fine with a little blip, and the only problem with up changes is from 1st to 2nd. This always feels horrible. Maybe I'm not being positive or forceful enough, but I can feel a vibration through the lever, with three or four jolts as if the gear teeth are clashing before it actually goes in.

Fred

I find it now tolerable to use the clutch on changes up and down (2017 mk2). It was nasty, clanky business on the 2015 bike I had before, to the extent I tried to do it all using GSAP. ;-)
 


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