Hilltop = fuelstop
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yeah Lambda sensor plugs I reckon. I had one go on a bike and it ran like sh@t and drank fuel like it was going out of fashion
something had clearly gone wrong to go from 50 ish mpg to 35 ish
(and fwiw I'm in the "sort out (or not) the issue before posting camp" - this is people's livelihoods, and there were at least 2 of us questioning our bookings with Hilltop. And anyone googling "hilltop" will hit on this thread and potentially not be ars@d to read it all...... If issue isn't resolved, flame away.....)
something had clearly gone wrong to go from 50 ish mpg to 35 ish
(and fwiw I'm in the "sort out (or not) the issue before posting camp" - this is people's livelihoods, and there were at least 2 of us questioning our bookings with Hilltop. And anyone googling "hilltop" will hit on this thread and potentially not be ars@d to read it all...... If issue isn't resolved, flame away.....)
For what it's worth I am a firm believer in telling it the way it is and in this instance can't fault the OP on starting this thread.
Judging by the numerous postings regarding Hilltop they appear to be a reputable outfit who provide a good service otherwise they wouldn't have so many GS owners trekking to them to have their bikes settled. Unless of course GS owners are a bunch of lemmings who follow their leader or simply won't admit they spent £360 for nothing.
Not all GS or GSA owners have the same tastes and opinions, some prefer the faster white bike whilst others prefer the slow red ones, some prefer Touratwat accessories others prefer BMW or Wunderlich.
If we all had the same preferences we GS/ GSA owners would be a right bunch of boring tossers.
Hopefully LBL will get his bike sorted or a refund in full.
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Ive never really took any notice of mpg on any of my vehicles, and certainly not on my GSA. I just ride it, fill it up, and ride it. I dont even look at the MPG reading as I wouldn't fully trust it to be accurate.
But Having recently had one of Hilltops remaps it does feel like I'm running out of fuel a lot quicker than before, but I've nothing to confirm this. But I do find myself using the extra power white a lot, so it doesn't worry me.
If I changed my bike I'm not sure id bother with the Hilltop remap again, the extra power is nice, but it was more than powerful enough for me prior to the remap. But maybe id miss it if I didn't have it? One potential bonus though is the opinion that it reduces the chance of overheated valves.
But Having recently had one of Hilltops remaps it does feel like I'm running out of fuel a lot quicker than before, but I've nothing to confirm this. But I do find myself using the extra power white a lot, so it doesn't worry me.
If I changed my bike I'm not sure id bother with the Hilltop remap again, the extra power is nice, but it was more than powerful enough for me prior to the remap. But maybe id miss it if I didn't have it? One potential bonus though is the opinion that it reduces the chance of overheated valves.
neoviper
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To those who don't know i am Geoff from Hilltop Motorcycles i have literally just been told about this thread. I say to all my customers if you have a problem call me, i am more than willing to help with any problem as far as im aware i am the only one that offers a full money back guarantee if you don't like it and i will stand by that, if you cant get in touch with me by the phone im probably in the dyno room or on dinner witch is 12pm to 1pm alternatively you can email me on [email protected] if you have any questions regarding what and how we do the mapping don't hesitate to call me. The nicer weather is now coming and if anyone is passing weather you have had a remap or not your more than welcome to come in and have a chat with me only one condition i like biscuits, ride safe have fun Geoff.
There you go.................
The sort of response, which puts into perspective the headline-grabbing thread title of "Hilltop = Fuelstop", which I still feel - was unwarranted.
Remember the fella who decried a dealer in the thread title about an oil leak.............. which wasn't actually an oil leak, or anything to blame the dealer about?
Al
'When motorcycles are distributed throughout the world, manufacturers adopt a one map fits all policy. This one map has to take into account many different factors that are necessary for each export country. Areas such as climate, emissions, fuel quality etc all have to be considered by the manufacturer. What this means is that a ECU is never optimised for one individual situation'
Copied this from Hilltops webpage - It just about says it all I think.
Optimising the map for one individual situation is going to mean compromising the map for other situations, which is of course is what BMW cant do as the GS is designed to be used all over the World, in different climates, different altitudes, different legislation etc.
Hilltop can shift the compromise, but it has to have some limitations, eg extra fuel consumption, greater emissions, maybe different performance at temperature extremes etc, etc.
You pays your money and makes your choice
Copied this from Hilltops webpage - It just about says it all I think.
Optimising the map for one individual situation is going to mean compromising the map for other situations, which is of course is what BMW cant do as the GS is designed to be used all over the World, in different climates, different altitudes, different legislation etc.
Hilltop can shift the compromise, but it has to have some limitations, eg extra fuel consumption, greater emissions, maybe different performance at temperature extremes etc, etc.
You pays your money and makes your choice
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'When motorcycles are distributed throughout the world, manufacturers adopt a one map fits all policy. This one map has to take into account many different factors that are necessary for each export country. Areas such as climate, emissions, fuel quality etc all have to be considered by the manufacturer. What this means is that a ECU is never optimised for one individual situation'
Copied this from Hilltops webpage - It just about says it all I think.
Optimising the map for one individual situation is going to mean compromising the map for other situations, which is of course is what BMW cant do as the GS is designed to used all over the World, in different climates, different altitudes, different legislation etc.
Hilltop can shift the compromise, but it has to have some limitations, eg extra fuel consumption, greater emissions, maybe different performance at temperature extremes etc, etc.
You pays your money and makes your choice
FFS, give it a rest
I take it you spoke to Geoff to clarify, as you said you would (several times LINKY)?
If not then may I suggest you're just trolling, as usual.........
Andres
FFS, give it a rest
I take it you spoke to Geoff to clarify, as you said you would (several times LINKY)?
If not then may I suggest you're just trolling, as usual.........
Andres
You obviously misunderstand completely - it's quite sad really that some people refuse to question and learn.
The statement on their website is absolutely spot on and I agree with it totally be cause it is engineering fact.
LBL
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There you go.................
The sort of response, which puts into perspective the headline-grabbing thread title of "Hilltop = Fuelstop", which I still feel - was unwarranted.
Remember the fella who decried a dealer in the thread title about an oil leak.............. which wasn't actually an oil leak, or anything to blame the dealer about?
Al
Jesus you go on worse than my ex, it wasnt a headline grabbing title, it was a title to a thread like any other, i assume you have gone on the thread where the guy has slagged of bad service from tyreleaver for parity.............er no you haven't.
Yes we all know you feel it was unwarrented.
I have spoken to Geoff and as i said we are working it out, it,s not a problem for me but seems to be for you. I was happy to give a good report on another thread i started about my service from Geoff, i presume you read that one ? I class the service from companies not only when things are perfect, but how they react when you have a problem, Geoff has acted in a very professional and helpful way, this shows him in an even better light in my opinion, though i guess you wont agree.
See you soon Geoff and no spitting in my tea
well - I was in today.
Mine was under 82bhp (!!!!!!!!!) on base run but up to 115 after remap, holes in torque and power everywhere. Now runs clean through the gears, smooth at low revs, pulls strongly and really kicks in at top end, flat spots in mid range have gone too
does it feel like 30 odd bhp and 10 plus ft lb's more? not sure - but it builds speed so smoothly you find yourself going blardy fast blardy quickly
Almost feel like base run was too low but guy in before me was around 98 on his base run and I think 118 after (with Akra can)
fuel wise - I am actually showing 54 mpg on trip since remap vs 51 / 52 normally, although that includes about 25 miles at 52 mph on M1 which obviously helps. Suspect very little if any difference
Mine was under 82bhp (!!!!!!!!!) on base run but up to 115 after remap, holes in torque and power everywhere. Now runs clean through the gears, smooth at low revs, pulls strongly and really kicks in at top end, flat spots in mid range have gone too
does it feel like 30 odd bhp and 10 plus ft lb's more? not sure - but it builds speed so smoothly you find yourself going blardy fast blardy quickly
Almost feel like base run was too low but guy in before me was around 98 on his base run and I think 118 after (with Akra can)
fuel wise - I am actually showing 54 mpg on trip since remap vs 51 / 52 normally, although that includes about 25 miles at 52 mph on M1 which obviously helps. Suspect very little if any difference
well - I was in today.
Mine was under 82bhp (!!!!!!!!!) on base run but up to 115 after remap, holes in torque and power everywhere. Now runs clean through the gears, smooth at low revs, pulls strongly and really kicks in at top end, flat spots in mid range have gone too
does it feel like 30 odd bhp and 10 plus ft lb's more? not sure - but it builds speed so smoothly you find yourself going blardy fast blardy quickly
Almost feel like base run was too low but guy in before me was around 98 on his base run and I think 118 after (with Akra can)
fuel wise - I am actually showing 54 mpg on trip since remap vs 51 / 52 normally, although that includes about 25 miles at 52 mph on M1 which obviously helps. Suspect very little if any difference
Mine was under 82bhp (!!!!!!!!!) on base run but up to 115 after remap, holes in torque and power everywhere. Now runs clean through the gears, smooth at low revs, pulls strongly and really kicks in at top end, flat spots in mid range have gone too
does it feel like 30 odd bhp and 10 plus ft lb's more? not sure - but it builds speed so smoothly you find yourself going blardy fast blardy quickly
Almost feel like base run was too low but guy in before me was around 98 on his base run and I think 118 after (with Akra can)
fuel wise - I am actually showing 54 mpg on trip since remap vs 51 / 52 normally, although that includes about 25 miles at 52 mph on M1 which obviously helps. Suspect very little if any difference
Godzilla
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Thats over a 40% increase in power on a change of air fuel ratio and no engine mods. Hmmm.
Absolutely right
Thank you
well most of them seem to be 95 ish bhp out of the factory so it looks to me like there was something badly wrong with mine. whichever way, it seems they really are pretty badly set up
anyway, it runs a helluva a lot better now from 1500 rpm to 8500 rpm for under half the price of an Akra can so I'm happy - and if there's any suspicion of deliberately setting low figures on base run, why was previous bike showing 98 bhp?
anyway, it runs a helluva a lot better now from 1500 rpm to 8500 rpm for under half the price of an Akra can so I'm happy - and if there's any suspicion of deliberately setting low figures on base run, why was previous bike showing 98 bhp?
I posted this before elsewhere but would seem relevant again here:
I've got a full system on a 2013 bike and had a Hilltop remap just over a year ago.
I recently had the bike tested at another Dyno set up which is at a Yamaha dealer just up the road from me and the figures they got were within 5% of those I got from Geoff. I reckon that a 5% difference between different set ups in different locations (same make of dyno) is acceptable normal variation.
More importantly (to me anyway) the tuning guru at the Yamaha dealer reckoned my bike's fuelling was set up perfectly and the torque curve was "spot on"! In his words "whoever set this bike up knows what they are doing"
So my view is that Geoff doesn't massage his figures and is bloody good at what he does, and the remap isn't affected by software updates at the BMW dealership.
Hopefully the OP will get his problem sorted and will enjoy the benefits a proper remap can deliver.
I've got a full system on a 2013 bike and had a Hilltop remap just over a year ago.
I recently had the bike tested at another Dyno set up which is at a Yamaha dealer just up the road from me and the figures they got were within 5% of those I got from Geoff. I reckon that a 5% difference between different set ups in different locations (same make of dyno) is acceptable normal variation.
More importantly (to me anyway) the tuning guru at the Yamaha dealer reckoned my bike's fuelling was set up perfectly and the torque curve was "spot on"! In his words "whoever set this bike up knows what they are doing"
So my view is that Geoff doesn't massage his figures and is bloody good at what he does, and the remap isn't affected by software updates at the BMW dealership.
Hopefully the OP will get his problem sorted and will enjoy the benefits a proper remap can deliver.
£ for £ its the best lump of cash you'll EVER spend on your boxer, its peanuts, we spend £700 on a end can that does fuck all to improve performance but believe the claims by manufactures, and if you look closely at most of the aftermarket exhausts there the same exhaust with just a different collector, extra power/torque on a bike is a strange thing as it becomes the norm very soon but reverting to the base map or riding your mates unmapped bike will just remind you how good it is
HILLTOP aren't Magicians, they cant magic power to how you like to ride they can only work with what they've got.
HILLTOP aren't Magicians, they cant magic power to how you like to ride they can only work with what they've got.
WindyChuffer
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Thats not a complaint. Its a review. Nowt wrong with what the OP wrote.
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