I’ve been Hilltopped

[Troppo]

Oh... and what makes me laugh as well.

People say, yeah but I get an extra 40 lb/ft of peak torque at 3000 rpm compared to standard... that's huge....

But when you are racing through the rev range, your only exposed to the 3000 rpm peak torque for a nanosecond as you race past it lol. And if you race to the red line and change gear, the next gear might start at 4000 rpm and you don't get the benefit of it at all..

If it's only 5% increase on average across the rev range, that's all you're going to see as a comparison to the standard bike next to you.

Yeah but yeah but.... the pull from 3000 rpm in 4 gear is amazing....

Using torque in high gears at low speeds will just run the risk of unnecessary load on the gearbox and clutch, so whats the point? the bike next to you drops another gear lower and is just as fast?

Very simple. Don't like Hilltop?

Don't get your bike mapped.

What is the point of shitposting?

 

[Warlord]

Very simple. Don't like Hilltop?

Don't get your bike mapped.

What is the point of shitposting?

Sorry, I keep forgetting this site is sponsored by Hilltop.

My apologies, I shall say no more

 

[Mr Bean]

So much focus on the figures.

To any sceptic, just ride a Hilltopped bike, then you’ll understand.

The focus on figures is because Hilltop give you a piece of paper that claims amazing increases - now if they gave you a piece of paper that showed a 5% increase the forum time would be significantly lower, would it not?

 

[papasquelch]

Hilltop tell everybody that their bike is running dangerously lean. This is complete rubbish. Of the 50,000 GSs sold last year worldwide, hardly any have been to Hilltop, yet how many suffer damage because they run “too lean”?

The power increases shown on Hilltop’s dyno prints are a joke. They are quite impossible without major mechanical work.

People excuse the comedy power increase claims by saying it’s not the power, but the torque. However, this is crap because a dyno only measures torque; power is derived (using a simple formula) from the torque measured.

Hilltop’s biggest problem is the secrecy about the bit of universal code they write into the ecu. Nobody knows whether or where it adds fuel or timing advance, or how much, so you’ve no idea what you’re doing to your bike (if anything). Hilltop now claim that other dynos won’t show any power increase - just their own!

Finally, my experience of Hilltop is that it made no difference to my bike and that Geoff is a right prat, but one hell of a con artist. £350 for a five minute download and a couple of bogus dyno runs is a complete joke. You do get some moronic showing-off “banter”, if that impresses you. When I went, he claimed to have remotely tuned Guy Martin’s TT bike, but when I viewed Guy’s house for sale in South Kelsey soon after, he’d never heard of Geoff or Hilltop.

Clearly many are happy with Hilltop, but anyone considering shelling out their hard earned needs to be aware that not everybody is. It’s not remapping, of course, because the r1200 ecu is not accessible, but something else. If not knowing what is being done to your bike bothers you, don’t go to Hilltop. Just ride your bike, enjoy it and stop frigging about with it!

 

[Warlord]

Just think, 2 up fully laden, all that extra torque destroying my transmission.

Thank goodness for my rr how do I cope.

WTF you on about?

 

[Warlord]

Hilltop tell everybody that their bike is running dangerously lean. This is complete rubbish. Of the 50,000 GSs sold last year worldwide, hardly any have been to Hilltop, yet how many suffer damage because they run “too lean”?

The power increases shown on Hilltop’s dyno prints are a joke. They are quite impossible without major mechanical work.

People excuse the comedy power increase claims by saying it’s not the power, but the torque. However, this is crap because a dyno only measures torque; power is derived (using a simple formula) from the torque measured.

Hilltop’s biggest problem is the secrecy about the bit of universal code they write into the ecu. Nobody knows whether or where it adds fuel or timing advance, or how much, so you’ve no idea what you’re doing to your bike (if anything). Hilltop now claim that other dynos won’t show any power increase - just their own!

Finally, my experience of Hilltop is that it made no difference to my bike and that Geoff is a right prat, but one hell of a con artist. £350 for a five minute download and a couple of bogus dyno runs is a complete joke. You do get some moronic showing-off “banter”, if that impresses you. When I went, he claimed to have remotely tuned Guy Martin’s TT bike, but when I viewed Guy’s house for sale in South Kelsey soon after, he’d never heard of Geoff or Hilltop.

Clearly many are happy with Hilltop, but anyone considering shelling out their hard earned needs to be aware that not everybody is. It’s not remapping, of course, because the r1200 ecu is not accessible, but something else. If not knowing what is being done to your bike bothers you, don’t go to Hilltop. Just ride your bike, enjoy it and stop frigging about with it!

You deserve a 'Like' for that post.

LIKE

 

[Tractors are go]

Sorry, I keep forgetting this site is sponsored by Hilltop.

My apologies, I shall say no more

An excellent idea.

Of course you could also start your own business modifying engines, then we can comment on your technical prowess.

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[Warlord]

An excellent idea.

Of course you could also start your own business modifying engines, then we can comment on your technical prowess.

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I have, it's called Wartopped. #fuckingtonsofpower

I've got some bean cans, etchasketch, crayons and only charge £300 per chart.

You wanna book in for a remote diagnostic session and I'll email the chart to you? My setup is so advanced its sponsored by Scientology and I can map any bike, anywhere in the world.

I accept paypal only and you get a free biscuit and coffee sachet

I will also donate £1 to save the bull foundation with every payment received, no refunds accepted

 

[knutk]

My bike is not HT'ed, but it does get a richer fueling than standard, so it should be comparable (more fuel is more fuel, either way).

Does a bit richer fuel make a difference? That depends a lot on your riding preferences. Since the adaptive map is richened up slightly, the engine get a tad more fuel when you rapidly open up the throttle, thus it feels a bit quicker compared to a non-modified engine. The engine stays in open loop for less than a second, so it is hard to measure by a clock, but it feels good. Also, at steady moderate speed stock mapping will vary the AFR between rich and lean in 1 second intervals (give or take) and this variations will be felt like tiny vibrations in the engine. A bit more fuel evens out the AFR to a average lower value (which is better for the engine) and you may allow the engine to stay at a higher gear at lower speeds. As an example, at 6th gear, on my bike the engine started to feel uncomfortable at speed below 80kph. With the extra fuel I may now allow it to drop to 60kph without any issues (if i so desire).

Therefor it depends on the riding style weather you will notice the extra fuel or not. If you never open up the throttle quickly and always ride above 3000 rpm the added fuel will do very little for the rider.

 

[Warlord]

Here's an S100RR I did earlier this week. It's a special edition.

Note the BHP at 3000 rpm, amazing mate. Truly.

The customer went away so happy, let me know if you want a similar chart for your bike

 

[Nutty]

Nutty, I do have experience. I spent 6 years racing cars petrol and diesel, and more times in rolling road sessions than I should have, using all sorts of additives including Nitrous Oxide.

Riding around Europe is not the same. I'm talking about 3rd world travel, not 1st world travel.

Anyways, I made my points very clear, regardless whether you agree or not

But you don't have any experience of Hilltop tuning on a motorcycle, which is what this thread is about.

Out of all the members on here, only a small handful ever go to third world countries on their GS, so that's hardly a relevant point. Even if it were, the map would do more good than harm, if travelling in the third world.

 

[Nutty]

The focus on figures is because Hilltop give you a piece of paper that claims amazing increases - now if they gave you a piece of paper that showed a 5% increase the forum time would be significantly lower, would it not?

Possibly, but the minute you ride your bike up the road after leaving Hilltop, the figures are irrelevant

 

[Nutty]

WTF you on about?

He's subtly telling you you're a twat.

 

[Warlord]

He's subtly telling you you're a twat.

Mate, everyones a twat on here. You could throw that accusation blindfolded while spinning around drunk, and still hit your target.

 

[Nutty]

Hilltop tell everybody that their bike is running dangerously lean. This is complete rubbish. Of the 50,000 GSs sold last year worldwide, hardly any have been to Hilltop, yet how many suffer damage because they run “too lean”?

The power increases shown on Hilltop’s dyno prints are a joke. They are quite impossible without major mechanical work.

People excuse the comedy power increase claims by saying it’s not the power, but the torque. However, this is crap because a dyno only measures torque; power is derived (using a simple formula) from the torque measured.

Hilltop’s biggest problem is the secrecy about the bit of universal code they write into the ecu. Nobody knows whether or where it adds fuel or timing advance, or how much, so you’ve no idea what you’re doing to your bike (if anything). Hilltop now claim that other dynos won’t show any power increase - just their own!

Finally, my experience of Hilltop is that it made no difference to my bike and that Geoff is a right prat, but one hell of a con artist. £350 for a five minute download and a couple of bogus dyno runs is a complete joke. You do get some moronic showing-off “banter”, if that impresses you. When I went, he claimed to have remotely tuned Guy Martin’s TT bike, but when I viewed Guy’s house for sale in South Kelsey soon after, he’d never heard of Geoff or Hilltop.

Clearly many are happy with Hilltop, but anyone considering shelling out their hard earned needs to be aware that not everybody is. It’s not remapping, of course, because the r1200 ecu is not accessible, but something else. If not knowing what is being done to your bike bothers you, don’t go to Hilltop. Just ride your bike, enjoy it and stop frigging about with it!

I hope you went back for a refund, as you're obviously very angry?

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Sorry GStom but 16 hp with a different fuel map is not happening...that is just a fairytale.
And only 112 rwhp after being hilltopped ? Stock 1200 LC's make 115 rwhp !
Just think about the following..why would a manufacturer like BMW that knows a thing or two about making engines would go through all the cost & effort of designing new heads with 2 intake cam lobes that switch under load and/or rpm,a 2 mm bigger piston and new crankshaft with 3 mm more stroke to gain only 11 hp if it was so simple that a new fuel map would have given them 16 hp... Get real !

THAT'S A VERY GOOD STATEMENT


BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I'm going to open up a dyno.

Wartopped

Some rollers, laptop, lots of noise, £200 and an etchasketch printout afterwards.

Taking bookings now

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[Warlord]

Just think about the following..why would a manufacturer like BMW that knows a thing or two about making engines would go through all the cost & effort of designing new heads with 2 intake cam lobes that switch under load and/or rpm,a 2 mm bigger piston and new crankshaft with 3 mm more stroke to gain only 11 hp if it was so simple that a new fuel map would have given them 16 hp... Get real !

Because once BMW have sold you a new bike, their MAIN BUSINESS is getting you back into the showroom to buy another NEW BIKE. They want all of you signed up on their Warranty Payroll scam, to scare you into another new bike when it ends.

The beancounters looked at the Boxer engine and said "it's too fookin reliable", how can we scare the shit out of owners into buying extended Warranty, or a new bike, when it never explodes? We've messed up the wheels, forks, switchgear, paintwork, suspension, shaft drive.... but forgot about the engine !!

I know, let's redesign it with some dodgy electronic actuators that'll really fook things up when they fail. Great !!!, sign that project off... oh and better add some more power to sell it easy.

Haha

 

[Tractors are go]

Thank goodness, I've had 30 years of running, which obviously trumps your inexperience !

If, I had not found an improvement in driveability for the gsa, then I would have told everyone.

As for my rr, compared to others, on a track, I know how it out performs them and is on par with a panigale v4 which has similar power.

Perhaps I am just more easily pleased than you.



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[Mr Bean]

Possibly, but the minute you ride your bike up the road after leaving Hilltop, the figures are irrelevant

Well then stop conning people that the bike makes (if I read the BMW graph correctly) as much torque @ 2k as a non mapped one does at peak - 6.5k.

I had my RT done and it was smoother - but the increase was nowhere near what the printout showed.

I didn't bother with my GS - even though I pass close by Hilltop frequently.