Mine is as I have the Road sprocket fitted.
If I fitted the Off-road,the accel is even better but it's no good for long distance on road.
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Is 96bhp enough?
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Mine is as I have the Road sprocket fitted.
If I fitted the Off-road,the accel is even better but it's no good for long distance on road.
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Which is more than can be said for the photographer
C'mon, you can do better than that! That's a Giles level effort
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his hands were probably shaking in excitement. remember, he normally rides an 1150
not bothered about the lack of paint n the engine. that just means you'll never have to worry about it falling off + any oxidation will come off by wiping with an oily rag. not painting the subframe though......that's just weird.
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My 950 Adv is supposed to make 102bhp (dunno if it actually does,mind) I've had bikes that make more (sure we all have) but on most roads, in most conditions, I'm faster (not that I'm a fast rider anyway) on the 950 than anything else I've owned. So, for me the 1050 sort of makes sense. Less is more, case closed. But..... there's that nagging voice in my head that says 'well, if less is more, just think how much more more is!'
The latest issue of Bike magazine has their photographer, Chippy Wood on a long termer 1050, he seems to be enjoying it and doesn't seem to miss the extra 50bhp too badly. The road test (Bike mag) I've seen on the 1050 was a month or so ago, when the 1290 & 1050 were launched. I seem to recall that there were some mutterings to do with vibration at certain points in the rev range.
I'd rather have good alloy unpainted than cheap alloy with a micron or two of water based paint thrown over it. The question is did the Austrians use good alloy. As to how it will look after a winter or two probably little different to a GS WC that cost ~40-70% more.
Do you have the torque figures and graphs to hand? Much more valid as you said.
Sorry ... work work work at the moment!
yeah I pretty much do agree.
There are three or four of us at work that have all left the sports bike scene behind and have sort of gone down the adventure bike route. Some of that is because we're old, fucked, and can't face spending a three hundred mile day on a gixxer any more! some of that is because we enjoy off roading, but to be honest, most of it is because life on sports bikes was getting either boring, or you were going to lose yer licence or yer job (or both).
Unless yer going to track day a litre sports bike, mneh ...
Yes they're great bikes, yes I'd have a brand new Blade and an 1299 Panigale if my ticket came in, but to get that buzz, that adrenalin rush, yer going to get a 6 month ban if you're caught. So we have migrated to sit up adventure bikes and back b roads, where you can get the same buzz, but the speeds, and the chance of getting caught are lower.And so I guess you can apply the same argument to the 96 bhp 1050. On the right roads, and certainly the sort of roads that I enjoy playing on, it's probably more than enough, and as Tunner says, those sorts of roads make a pretty level playing field for all bikes. (Actually - the bike that's going to pull away on these sort of roads is probably going to be the one with the best suspension ... thats the WC GSA fucked then ...
).I guess the other side of this argument, is that big power means that a bike isn't stressed and working hard.
So if we take Johhny's dent ride as an example, (Johnny - yer riding is great but yer photography is shite
), then certainly for the most part, it was a pretty level playing field in terms of who can go quick and who cant. (It would only be those IOM mountain style sections like Tann Hill where say my 1190 would kiss goodby to Bilko's 800 GS!). But a big BHP bike feels lazy to ride which i quite like. Yes - some peepes would like the buzz of working the nuts off, say a GS 800, but that could get pretty tiring after a while.I'll stick to my 1190 for the moment thanks, but yes - a 100 bhp 1050 would be a nice bike to play on b roads ...
Careful JB you're starting to think like me. I've been shot down for suggesting less is more, but I still think that more fun can be had by riding a lesser powered bike hard than having monster power.
The TT guys seem to agree that the 600s are more fun to ride than the bigger bikes.
A good chassis and 100 BHP is enough for anyone. Yes it's great to wack a big powerful motor open, but the opportunities are few and far between.
S800XR would be a brilliant tool IMHO, and better fuel economy for us tight wad northerners
The TT guys seem to agree that the 600s are more fun to ride than the bigger bikes.
A good chassis and 100 BHP is enough for anyone. Yes it's great to wack a big powerful motor open, but the opportunities are few and far between.
S800XR would be a brilliant tool IMHO, and better fuel economy for us tight wad northerners
So if we take Johhny's Dent ride as an example, (Johnny - yer riding is great but yer photography is shite
It would only be those IOM mountain style sections like Tann Hill where say my 1190 would kiss goodby to Bilko's 800 GS!
Cheers, I'll take that as a compliment
Fuck the photography
Present and past owners of 11XX GS's with Ohlins know that less is more....
Good suspension, plenty of torque and a good riding position makes for a very satisfying bike
What's the torque of the 1050 like compared to a boxer (feel and actual)
Good suspension, plenty of torque and a good riding position makes for a very satisfying bike
What's the torque of the 1050 like compared to a boxer (feel and actual)
What's the reliability of KTM like these days? Interweb used to give them a bit of a hard time.
My Explorer has 29k on it so was looking at the S10 or 1050.
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I took it over a similar route I often ride the 1150 and comparable with the kind of roads we took on the Dent ride
I thought the engine was really good, pretty torquey - but would rev faster than a 1150, naturally
Only lack of suspension quality was a question mark for me, the forks are non adjustable and need some improvement and the rear shock needed a bit of adjusting to suit me, it felt a bit choppy
Screen was awful, but rest of the bike was very good
if it's not going to seduce you with massive power, it better be good on the suspension front - No point buying a 1050 and spending money on upgrading the suspension when the option of a secondhand 1190 (which I assume is better suspended) is available.
And its got a wire wheels
True enough
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So, was the suspension actually crap JB or just in need of some miles and adjustment?
The reason I ask is that I remember you saying the V7 suspension was too harsh yet most reports seem to say that set up and 'broken in' it's pretty much ok.
My experience of the 1190 (which admittedly does have good quality suspension) was that the recommended settings were too harsh and that there was so much adjustment potential I ended up having it set up by a tuning shop. This, along with a few miles on it has translated into suspension that is almost a smooth as a GS but with infinitly more feedback and engagement (that's compared to my old GS with Wilbers on).
Now it's all working correctly I can't really imagine suspension much better than this
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So, was the suspension actually crap JB or just in need of some miles and adjustment?
The reason I ask is that I remember you saying the V7 suspension was too harsh yet most reports seem to say that set up and 'broken in' it's pretty much ok.
My experience of the 1190 (which admittedly does have good quality suspension) was that the recommended settings were too harsh and that there was so much adjustment potential I ended up having it set up by a tuning shop. This, along with a few miles on it has translated into suspension that is almost a smooth as a GS but with infinitly more feedback and engagement (that's compared to my old GS with Wilbers on).
Now it's all working correctly I can't really imagine suspension much better than this
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I reckon you're right, it's always difficult to get anything right on the initial test ride, I need to have another go (longer) and have a fiddle with the rear suspension, to smooth it out
Not much option on the front, without different grade oil/springs
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Gotta be worth a go
It's interesting that a bike that many initially questioned the need/reason for seems to now be generating so much interest. I have to say, as a general all round bike and now that the price is right it's a very attractive package.
Andres
Interesting - always had a soft spot for KTM's (had a Superduke and a 690SMR) and currently looking at options to replace the Wife's written off Speed Triple.
Had been looking at Tiger 800XR or Yamaha Tracer but if there is a good discount then one of these could fit the bill and be a bit of fun for me to play on as well
JB how tall did it feel - seat ht states 850mm compared to Tiger XR 810/830mm and Tracer 845/860mm?
Certainly with the basic Tiger/Tracer coming in at under £8,500 the KTM would need to be a lot better/heavily discounted to be seriously considered.
Had been looking at Tiger 800XR or Yamaha Tracer but if there is a good discount then one of these could fit the bill and be a bit of fun for me to play on as well
JB how tall did it feel - seat ht states 850mm compared to Tiger XR 810/830mm and Tracer 845/860mm?
Certainly with the basic Tiger/Tracer coming in at under £8,500 the KTM would need to be a lot better/heavily discounted to be seriously considered.
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