New Bike - Corrosion Test

Ok, firstly you've been identified as a wind up merchant so you've no place in this thread except to cause trouble. Unless you actually have an intelligent argument based upon experience or facts, fuck off :D



Secondly, just because you are 'surprised' at information I've presented doesn't automatically mean I'm wrong.

Go educate yourself and come back here with a considered argument.

I'm not running around after your whims when you most likely don't give a shit anyways. Go find the information yourself.

:beerjug:

I work within an evidence based industry and my experience in scrutinising evidence tells me that you have none and it is an opinion based on nothing other than your beliefs.

i challenged your supposition with a reasonable argument and you can do nothing other than dismiss my questions because they don't fit with your point of view.

Never mind poppet.
 
I work within an evidence based industry and my experience in scrutinising evidence tells me that you have none and it is an opinion based on nothing other than your beliefs.

i challenged your supposition with a reasonable argument and you can do nothing other than dismiss my questions because they don't fit with your point of view.

Never mind poppet.

I couldn't care less if you're the Lord Chief Justice himself.

You've not brought any evidence to this topic to challenge anything?

You're argument wasn't reasonable, it was just a smoke screen full of 'what ifs'.

What idea's have you contributed so far that make sense? At least I have some ideas.

All I can see is you've just sat on your high horse and said nothing constructive.

So I'd suggest you bugger off and bring something back useful to contribute to this discussion in a positive way, poppet. :D

Or is that the best you can offer? :D Just a load of time-wasting waffle shite
 
Aye he is off again, If you don't agree with HIS Opinion you don't know what you are speaking about.... I wonder if his carer actually knows he is on a grown up forum at this time of night, instead of being on his X-Box, WARLORD.... Waffles A Real Load Of Rubbish Daily
 
Aye he is off again, If you don't agree with HIS Opinion you don't know what you are speaking about.... I wonder if his carer actually knows he is on a grown up forum at this time of night, instead of being on his X-Box, WARLORD.... Waffles A Real Load Of Rubbish Daily

Haha :D
 
Some twats on here sitting on their high chair and hiding behind their keyboard like wimps have spoiled a perfectly useful thread. Any one with an ounce of common Sense can make out that this is not a scientific comparison. What a bunch of fuck&$#ng bunch of cuntards who have spoiled a.perfectly useful thread.

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My partner and myself got our 1200GS TE's at the same time last September and both have approx 4000 miles on them. They are not used in the depth of winter on salty roads but are thoroughly cleaned each week after use using S-Doc 100 usually ( best cleaner I've ever used and have used it for yrs with no ill effects) Muck off made me fasteners on my Honda go furry in the past so won't go near it ! But after a clean and dry I coat everything in GT85 and let it dry to a tacky film and lightly even out with a small dry sponge.It gets sprayed lightly over all black parts , forks, wheels switch gear etc. Prior to last winter I ACF 50'd both bikes with a proper spray gun and 'fogged' it , if you know what I mean. Its a system of care I have used for years and all my bikes when sold look basically , near enough new. Both the GS's still look as new, as I expected they would. I think they will remain so until we change them in a couple of years. I put some clear plastic hose round the centre stands held with cable ties and both stands are still fine.

If you want to keep your bike nice it requires a bit of effort. Knowing what works and sticking to it maximises the effort you put in.

My 2010 Harley with nearly 40,000 miles on it looks near enough new too.

I guess a lot depends on what people call regular cleaning, one persons regular could be once a month with a jet wash with harsh chemicals, which obviously will not maintain an 'as new' finish.

I'm sure there are cases where there has been sub standard finishes as new, My Honda Varadero suffered that and I had to repaint the fuel tank after 3 years . Rust was present in the steel it was made out of from new. Honda didn't care . However many cases of failing finishes I'm sure are down to quality of care.

:-)
 
Some twats on here sitting on their high chair and hiding behind their keyboard like wimps have spoiled a perfectly useful thread. Any one with an ounce of common Sense can make out that this is not a scientific comparison. What a bunch of fuck&$#ng bunch of cuntards who have spoiled a.perfectly useful thread.

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Thank you for your support.

We'll just carry on because I'm doing this for the greater good.

If one GS owner saves his own bike from decline by appreciating and applying a bit more care, that'll be worth it. It is an education, you can't know everything and I'm trying to share my experience.

If a prospective owner is on the fence of GS ownership.. jump in the waters fine. Just look after your bike like maintaining a healthy relationship :D
 
Some twats on here sitting on their high chair and hiding behind their keyboard like wimps have spoiled a perfectly useful thread. Any one with an ounce of common Sense can make out that this is not a scientific comparison. What a bunch of fuck&$#ng bunch of cuntards who have spoiled a.perfectly useful thread.

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Well said. It's the usual two or three non owners that have to come in here and shit stir. All other sections are heavily modded, but not this one. Folk have Carte Blanche to say whatever they want here.:rolleyes:
 
Oh... and stay away from Caustic Foam cleaners and road salt.

Use fresh water and rust inhibitor car wash at least to clean your bike.

Jet wash water only.. no foam..

If in doubt read the label :D
 
You've not brought any evidence to this topic to challenge anything

You are correct, I've not brought any evidence because I'm not the one making claims that appear to be unsupported.

It is always the same on here - someone states something as fact and as soon as you question it or the methodology you get told to look it up yourself.
 
Well said. It's the usual two or three non owners that have to come in here and shit stir. All other sections are heavily modded, but not this one. Folk have Carte Blanche to say whatever they want here.:rolleyes:

Aww, diddums.......... I am sorry

All I said was that Warlord was comparing apples with oranges as his bike is only 3 months old, not ridden through winter

Anyway, I shall watch with interest to see how it develops
 
I get the bit about garage jet wash and salt but i personally believe that some of the fault here lays with BMW

My pal has just got rid of his GSA ( warranty and preferential deal) as it needed a new engine and frame due to rust

The bike had never been out on salted roads (he's a big girls blouse) and never been near a jet wash !

The bike lived its life in a damp free garage and ridden in the dry unless there was no choice and cleaned regularly
 
Some twats on here sitting on their high chair and hiding behind their keyboard like wimps have spoiled a perfectly useful thread. Any one with an ounce of common Sense can make out that this is not a scientific comparison. What a bunch of fuck&$#ng bunch of cuntards who have spoiled a.perfectly useful thread.

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Says he hiding behind his keyboard shouting abuse - ironic or what!
 
You are correct, I've not brought any evidence because I'm not the one making claims that appear to be unsupported.

It is always the same on here - someone states something as fact and as soon as you question it or the methodology you get told to look it up yourself.

Because most of what I am saying (as already pointed out) is common sense. It doesn't need me to go into the granularity of how salt exposed to steel will cause rust, or how a caustic cleaner will remove wax protection exposing porous paint to steel.

But on the basis that you may live on Mars, your Professional Disposition could actually contribute to this topic in a positive way if you read up on it.

I've mentioned most of my argument on this thread here http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php/453065-2016-gsa-rust-issue

Firstly Cleaning Products.

Most Public Facilities for car cleaning use cheap, fast action, caustic based cleaners. They are not friendly. They strip wax, grime, grease and all the protection off your motorcycle. They try and sell you the follow up WAX cycle, which then attempts to protect your vehicle following the caustic cleaning cycle (but people don't usually spend that money because it 'looks' clean so why bother). You stick your bike through that and it'll have no wax protection on anything.

Some people also use Domestic Jet Washers with Snow Foam. Its the same, its a Caustic Cleaner. It might be fun spraying your bike in this stuff, but its stripping all the protection off it.

Jet Wash Foam

Here's a typical example..

http://www.britishchemicalproducts.c...istory=related

Forecourt jet wash detergent

Premier Hi-Foam Jet Wash Shampoo
Caustic based non-ionic detergent blend it is an economical and highly effective traffic film remover for use by professional car wash operators in forecourt jetwashes.

Meaning of Caustic

ˈkɔːstɪk,ˈkɒstɪk/Submit
adjective
1. able to burn or corrode organic tissue by chemical action.
"a caustic cleaner"

Road Salt

This is obvious. But I wrote my comments here http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showth...a-rust-issue?p=4706099&viewfull=1#post4706099

Corrosion or rusting is an electrochemical reaction requiring oxygen, water and an electrolyte like salt (to allow conduction to take place). The warmer the water, the faster the conduction (corrosion).

Some hard tap water has salt present, so I've always used car wash with rust inhibitor in it. That helps a bit. I also use car wax in places and ACF50 on bolts and difficult exposed areas.

I've also riden brand new bikes through winter salted roads and they take weeks to rust badly if you leave salt water on them, for even a few days in a garage. So months would look really bad. Once that paint coating is breached it'll rust very quick.

Salt damages bikes quickly if left unattended and will damage alloys (oxidization), chains, bolts and steel frames quickly even when washed regularly.

Its why Road Bridges spanning salt water need to be painted constantly to prevent corrosion.

I've also had alloy framed fairing bikes like VFR1200 that weathered well (except brakes siezing with salt damage). So some bikes are built more hardened to corrosion naturally from materials used.

If salt exposure, must wash it immediately with cold water (not warm water as it expedites the electro chemical reaction with salt). Even then once salt takes hold its difficult to stop rust.

At the end of winter I have to regularly go around and repaint (touch up rust spots) on my steel framed Bandit 1250 with black smooth direct to rust Hammerite paint. To keep on top of it. Its the way it is.. not quite a road bridge but same principle.

Salt, water and bikes don't mix well.

Motor Industry Paint

Automotive paint is mixture of basic ingredients that include a pigment, a binder and thinner. It’s the composition of each that is the tricky part. The paint itself can be water, acrylic or oil based and the chemical composition, application and properties of each base vary widely.

Most modern automotive paint is water based, using a low solvent urethane does produce a softer and more porous paint. This recipe is mostly for environment regulations and are non-toxic.

This means if you use a power washer, it'll wear down the paint and make it more porous exposing water to the steel. It'll rust !!

Stone chips from regular riding will cause paint removal and exposes steel to water. It'll rust !!

Taking Care of your motorcycle

Wax it and wash it in rust inhibitor car wash, by hand preferably.

Take note of stone chips and repaint if necessary.

Don't use Caustic Cleaners and preferably don't use high power jet washers up close (as it'll expedite paint removal and steel exposure).
 
My disagreement with you was not whether salt is corrosive (I've not mentioned it), it was that you claimed to have the 'perfect comparison' and that the bikes were 'identical' (your words), when they are plainly not for the reasons I stated.

My question over foam washes was that can a wash on product, with a ph roughly to soapy water have such an effect after a few minutes expose every so often?

http://www.eurochem.co.uk/automotive/automotive-exterior/traffic-film-remover
 


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