R1300GS / the good the bad & the ugly

[Apologies in advance for those that love it - rant follows.]

Well this seems like the main topic - just watched 44t's review, it think it must be Chris's most serious review ever. Not the normal 44t - very sensible. Not commented on any other discussion but IMHO it is extremely fuggly, abandons the traditional GS look as much as the LR Defender did and as with so many SUVs, cover the badge and you're hard pushed to tell them apart - or in this case side-on, cover the GS silver below tank trim and it looks like every other middle of the road twin Honzuki.

However, the absence of a rear tail light is insanity. It was a dangerous enough set up on the last 1250s but this is pushing boundaries of cr@p even more. What on earth were they thinking. Any cheap scooter has hugely better rear lights. Seems they are determined to screw up the traditional BMW 'look' with their bikes as they have with their cars.

Similarly and very sadly it seems the madness of further car design is infiltrating into bikes. When we have the worse current driving standards on UK roads we've ever seen and designers (or 'officials') have an obsession with auto-braking, radar, blind spot this and that to create a false sense of security but on the other hand making vehicles much more dangerous in real terms with the unbelievable distraction of total touch screen control and pathetic little indicators that on some cars (Nissan Juke etc) are as small as a Christmas tree light and virtually impossible to spot. LEDs have allowed designers to 100% push form over function - compare to 70's/80's/90's cars when light size and position was strictly regulated and indicators were so much safer and more visible.

I'm sure as ever thousands will buy them but thank goodness there is an endless pool of traditional GS's out there.
 
I agree with you with the rear light. But not the traditional GS, if you want an overweight massive tourer then it is a step away but original GS were on and off road, I like the route they have gone, no one wishes their bike was heavier, not unless it only stays on the road, which I know that 95% of GS’s sold do so buy an RT or RS then, but know that won’t match my Arai tour X image.
If I had the spare cash and wasn’t so invested in my 1200 I would have one at a drop of a hat.
 
What is the big deal with the number plate light? It's your rear tail lights and reflectors that improve rear visibility not the number plate light. When driving at night, you don't see the number plate until you are way to close. If you don't like the new GS, don't buy it - simples.
 
I think it’s the indicator/light in one unit that makes it difficult to see.
 
Stick , Thank You very much for posting the Owners Manual ! Foot brake is linked - Stupid ! Tank is too small and will give you 140 miles when the reserve light comes on or even less when you give her the berries - Deal breaker ! It go softer and more refined and really has not more power because of the taller gearing and the mechanical clatter sounds louder than the exhaust - What were they thinking ? And also 180/112 mph max with bags ! I am not too impressed…LOL Love the sports screen and tank compartment though…LOL Waiting for the new R1400GS with good exhaust sound 156hp/nm - 115 kw/lb-ft and 24 liter tank !!! And the M version with 17 inch front wheel…LOL As for the forged wheels BMW advertises that they are 1.8 kg lighter than the spoke wheels but I wonder if they are lighter than the cast wheels because the cast ones look also pretty good…Thanks again , Stick and hopefully you enjoy your new 1300 longer than the V4 Multilala that also sounds not good more like a italian coffeemaker conpared what Ducs used to sound but the KTM twins sound like shy girls letting real quiet farts…Ready to race , Not ! LOL
 
Reading the owners manual one more time if you want to make full lock turns on the friction point without dropping the bike you have to put it into the Enduro Pro mode which de-links the foot brake…! Wonder who comes up with nonsense like linked foot brakes and why ? Lawyers or Harley riders who never use the front brakes because it is dangerous…LOL
 
Stick , Thank You very much for posting the Owners Manual ! Foot brake is linked - Stupid ! Tank is too small and will give you 140 miles when the reserve light comes on or even less when you give her the berries - Deal breaker ! It go softer and more refined and really has not more power because of the taller gearing and the mechanical clatter sounds louder than the exhaust - What were they thinking ? And also 180/112 mph max with bags ! I am not too impressed…LOL Love the sports screen and tank compartment though…LOL Waiting for the new R1400GS with good exhaust sound 156hp/nm - 115 kw/lb-ft and 24 liter tank !!! And the M version with 17 inch front wheel…LOL As for the forged wheels BMW advertises that they are 1.8 kg lighter than the spoke wheels but I wonder if they are lighter than the cast wheels because the cast ones look also pretty good…Thanks again , Stick and hopefully you enjoy your new 1300 longer than the V4 Multilala that also sounds not good more like a italian coffeemaker conpared what Ducs used to sound but the KTM twins sound like shy girls letting real quiet farts…Ready to race , Not ! LOL

M1000XR is released tomorrow. Would that not be more your thing? :nenau
 
I like the idea of the weight reduction with those wheels but a GS is not a GS without spokes, spokes look the mutts. I have two sets of wheels, both spokes, one off road and one on road, hate the look of alloys.
I wonder how much weight has actually been lost Spec for spec against the 1250 when the OPTIONAL centre stand and pillion handle is taken into consideration?
 
The M1000XR will be an awesome bike if bags and centerstand wont be missing on the options list but a bike like it with a boxer that protects bike and legs , Telever and shaft are even awesomer…LOL No I dont need illuminated switch gear , radar cruise and would prefer a real key over a fob ! As for the weight savings I bet the missing centerstand , passenger pegs , rack , lithium battery and missing liter in the tank that will give you a range of 130 miles when the triangle comes on using the 145 hp will be 6 kilos real world weight savings with another 4 kilos saved if you opt for forged instead of spoked wheels…Real meaningful improvements these are not unless you are short and can touch now flat footed having the option to lower the bike by 30mm with a touch of a button…
 
The M1000XR will be an awesome bike if bags and centerstand wont be missing on the options list but a bike like it with a boxer that protects bike and legs , Telever and shaft are even awesomer…LOL No I dont need illuminated switch gear , radar cruise and would prefer a real key over a fob ! As for the weight savings I bet the missing centerstand , passenger pegs , rack , lithium battery and missing liter in the tank that will give you a range of 130 miles when the triangle comes on using the 145 hp will be 6 kilos real world weight savings with another 4 kilos saved if you opt for forged instead of spoked wheels…Real meaningful improvements these are not unless you are short and can touch now flat footed having the option to lower the bike by 30mm with a touch of a button…

I think you might benefit from taking up Buddhist meditation. If I remember correctly there's a temple at Annapolis. Nice roads around there as well.
 
The M1000XR will be an awesome bike if bags and centerstand wont be missing on the options list but a bike like it with a boxer that protects bike and legs , Telever and shaft are even awesomer…LOL No I dont need illuminated switch gear , radar cruise and would prefer a real key over a fob ! As for the weight savings I bet the missing centerstand , passenger pegs , rack , lithium battery and missing liter in the tank that will give you a range of 130 miles when the triangle comes on using the 145 hp will be 6 kilos real world weight savings with another 4 kilos saved if you opt for forged instead of spoked wheels…Real meaningful improvements these are not unless you are short and can touch now flat footed having the option to lower the bike by 30mm with a touch of a button…
as much chance of that cylinder head landing on you as protecting you in an accident. Your shins might be in perfect nick if you're lucky but that's the least of your problems.
 
I daren‘t test ride one, I got banned from the LC section for 6 years last time I wrote an honest review 😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
You would think so but he wants a telelever and a boxer and a shaft drive and a big fuel range and illuminated switch gear and 200hp and a unicorn, and directions to the end of the rainbow etc etc
He’s just a massive cock, that has a tiny penis 😂😂😂
 
I had plenty of crashes in my 40 plus years of riding and the lord and cylinders kept me save so fat…On the track a non boxer is ok though as there ate no errand cars or other obstacles to look for…LOL
 
I wonder why none of these reviewers has posted any real world mpg numbers ? I ll bet mileage will be worse than the 1250 because you have more power and if you use it you burn more gas...In the US where we only get crap for gas as in 91 to 93 octane max with the high compression the ignition will retard and so the power...30-35 mpg if you ride like you mean it will be 120-140 mile range or taking it easy 155 max before the reserve comes on...Ridiculous for a bike like a GS ! Also the limked foot brake , the missing tail light and the vario bags are slightly smaller too...I mean I would wait for the aluminum top loaders anyways as also for the R1400GSADV that hopefully gets then the bump to 155 or so HP...!!! And a tank with a decent range and hopefully not more than an additional 15 kilos of weight with a full tank ! And some MANly looks instead of making a Honda with a boxer motor...LOL
 


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