R1300GS / the good the bad & the ugly
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Modern 125s come with linked brakes (if they have no ABS). I think it became law 2016.
Most weeks, I will do several demos of a U turn using the (linked) rear brake without any issues and not being able to tell if the bike has linked brake or not.
I've not tried it on a new GS, but I suspect it's a non issue.
Is it me or does that look like Mutley from the Wackey Races.
My 2004 Honda Pantheon 125 had no ABS but did have linked brakes. I never had any issues with that.
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My crosstourer had linked brakes, no clutch and weighed a ton
No problem doing u turns with that either
No problem doing u turns with that either
Jimbo Nothing wrong with linked brakes I actually love them if you pull the brake lever but linked brakes on the foot pedal are just plain stupid ! For obvious reasons and can only switched off in Enduro Pro mode...That , the small tank and only 9 hp more in combination with the taller gearing are deal breakers for me ! Hope BMW gets their heads out of their behinds with the R1400Adventure and M1300GS that hopefully have then 155 plus hp and a tank that last for at least 200 miles if you twist the right grip before the low fuel light comes on...!!!
G&T...I am with you the black holder of the windshield looks homemade...LOL Horrible like you just cleaned your visor and a big bug splattered on your visor phucking with your vision again...The black mounting plates have to be changed or at least made translucent...!
As for the today released M1000XR...Love the idea of a comfortable superbike or XR with full-on RR motor and shorter gearing which will make this bike a absolute rocket I would buy over any superbike...But no bags and no centestand kills it probably not only for me but a lot of other potential customers,too...Stupid ! BMW has good engineers but the decision makers dont know much about motorcycling....Like a new GS with only 145 hp and 19 liter tank...LOL Or a fake Harley that is bigger and heavier than a Harley with no engine sound...And then they wonder why they collect dust and double down on stupid and release even more models instead of flushing the turd for good...LOL
Watched a good german video...ZEERO sound & really no more power thanks to taller gearing...Nobody said anything about the smaller tank and real world mpg so far...I hope next year they go straight to 1400cc aka more POWER/TORQUE you can feel and optional 24 liter tank to not have to go full FAT ADV because after 3 ADVs I really got used to and like the idea of the smaller slightly lighter regular GS with the taller/harder ADV suspension as the sweet spot of the GS line ! And Yes the Triple Black looks pretty decend despite the radar boxes and missing taillight which are total fails in my book...Obviously BMW thought the same and let design boss Heinrich go...I think he is taking english classes now as his english is even worse than his drawing skills...poor guy ! It would have been more authentic to do the presentation in german but the whole bike (unfortunately) looks not very germanic anymore...I think the old one looks better and the new one is too japanese/bland/boring and will age quicker while the 1200/1250 looks as fresh to me as on day one when it looked kind of weird/futuristic...
One more point as minimal as the frame is it looks to me it does not matter if the frame is made from welded pressed steel or aluminum as the savings probably would have been minimal but the other shortcomings are definitely valid like a smaller tank....STUPID with a Capital S !!!
Sat on one today, and the screen area looks awful. The sat nav thingy and its cradle are right in line of sight.
The rear of the bike looks poor without a conventional rear light. And BMW could have provided a lifting handle - maybe incorporating it in the sub-frame
casting?
The rear of the bike looks poor without a conventional rear light. And BMW could have provided a lifting handle - maybe incorporating it in the sub-frame
casting?
BMW definitely needs to redo the front for a clear view of the road,bring the tank range up by 4 liters , raise the rpm ceiling by 1000 rpm and give us 10-15 hp more , put a real taillight on it and give the bike an exhaust system that sounds good ! Otherwise people will keep their 1250's for a long time...Same with the M1000XR...Great bike but no bags and no centerstand means lots of otherwise potential customers/sales are lost...STUPID ! Of course 170 hp in the S1000XR are plenty but why tease the people with 200 hp and shorter gearing ? Oh well life goes on...
Indeed it does
The BHP thing is irrelevant. Even the 1200 has more than enough grunt for touring two up and for anything most people are likely to do off road where traction and mid range and low down stomp is where it's at. All this talk of chasing the competition into pointless point scoring on BHP figures amuses me. Anyone who thinks the older 1200 and the newer very sprightly 1250 are underpowered has bought the wrong bike for their needs. It's pub hero top trumps plain and simple. I haven't yet heard one clearly well argued reasoning on just why we "need" 160bhp plus on any adventure bike. Nuts.
I've tried a few and once the novelty wore off was glad to get back on my boxer where I could make effortless progress from just about any revs, overtake safely at most speeds and get a decent range on a tank. My RS, cross country, manages almost 60mpg which is as much as my 650 VStrom. BMW got it right with the 1200/1250 range of bikes and I must admit, lighter weight to one side, the newer 1300 does nothing for me at all. I don't like the looks, don't like the increased reliance on electronics, don't like the linked rear when using just the rear, don't like the screen and won't be putting money on one any time soon.
I agree that shorter gearing would be welcomed on the newer 1300. As long as a bike can sit on the autobhan at 110mph two up with luggage, that's fast enough. Touring by its very nature is about relaxing and enjoying the trip and achieving reasonable economy, and getting a decent range on a tank. For me, the outgoing 1250 Adventure, 1250 RS and 1250 RT are amongst the best touring bikes made today (yesterday?) without needing to be the size of a small planet.
I do hope that the 1300 is a success for BMW. That way there'll be plenty of low miles 1250's to chose from cheap a few years down the line for us mere mortals for whom they're plenty enough bike in all respects
I've tried a few and once the novelty wore off was glad to get back on my boxer where I could make effortless progress from just about any revs, overtake safely at most speeds and get a decent range on a tank. My RS, cross country, manages almost 60mpg which is as much as my 650 VStrom. BMW got it right with the 1200/1250 range of bikes and I must admit, lighter weight to one side, the newer 1300 does nothing for me at all. I don't like the looks, don't like the increased reliance on electronics, don't like the linked rear when using just the rear, don't like the screen and won't be putting money on one any time soon.
I agree that shorter gearing would be welcomed on the newer 1300. As long as a bike can sit on the autobhan at 110mph two up with luggage, that's fast enough. Touring by its very nature is about relaxing and enjoying the trip and achieving reasonable economy, and getting a decent range on a tank. For me, the outgoing 1250 Adventure, 1250 RS and 1250 RT are amongst the best touring bikes made today (yesterday?) without needing to be the size of a small planet.
I do hope that the 1300 is a success for BMW. That way there'll be plenty of low miles 1250's to chose from cheap a few years down the line for us mere mortals for whom they're plenty enough bike in all respects
Excusez-moi but how about you actually ride the fucking thing before declaring it needs another 10-15bhp ?
All the reviews I’ve seen/read so far have raved about the abundance of grunt at any revs compared to the 1250. Not one has declared it lacking but then again I don’t believe any of the reviewers need carry a magnifying glass to locate their penis
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Chuckling at how good it is ......Indeed it does
Morety...Of course we dont need 160 hp but we dont need motorcycles either ! And Torque is great and makes the bike pull hard in the rev range you ride inaka 3 to 8000 rpm but a little rush on top is fun...And that is what people want...Fun ! 160-170 hp is good enough for the street above it becomes irrelevant on a upright bike because the traction control to prevent wheelies kicks in...Want no need and FUN are the keywords here...And for a travelling bike aka Sportstourer like a GS a 19 liter tank is a non starter...The ADV will solve the problem but while 30 liters might be too big it might be still 4 liters too small on a trip around the world...I think 24 liters are the perfect compromise !
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