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[Toddy]

Tory Deputy Leader backs currency union after YES

Fri, 21/02/2014 - 15:27

Deputy Leader of the Scottish Conservatives, Jackson Carlaw, today made clear his support for the pound being an independent Scotland's currency and for Scotland’s continuing position within the European Union.

Speaking on BBC Scotland’s Brian’s Big Debate today, Mr Carlaw stated that he would be “manning the barricades” for the pound after independence, in a further demonstration that the position of the Chancellor George Osborne and the anti-independence parties is a referendum campaign bluff.

Commenting, Kenneth Gibson MSP, Convener of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee, said:

“Jackson Carlaw’s comments are a welcome confirmation that a currency union is the right option not just for an independent Scotland but also for the rest of the UK – a fact made clear by the Fiscal Commission Working Group’s comprehensive analysis.

"The public backlash against George Osborne's sermon on the pound is growing - and the Tories and No campaign know it.

“Mr Carlaw’s admission shows that the Tories will support a currency union after a Yes vote – and confirms that George Osborne’s recent bluster on the pound was just campaign rhetoric designed to try and threaten people in Scotland into voting No.

“After a Yes vote, the bluff and bluster will come to an end and the Scottish and UK Governments will negotiate a currency union in the mutual interest of both countries - and I look forward to Jackson Carlaw being on Scotland’s side when those negotiations take place.”

 

[morty]

toddy your delusional

 

[Deleted account 210516001]

So a union of 30,000 civil servants in Scotland supports independence. Shock horror how could they? After all an independent Scotland is surely going to need ...........eh lots more civil servants to mirror the current UK functions that are shared at the moment. The Scottish government has made the case for economies of scale by amalgamating 8 police forces and 8 fire brigades into one to save money. How does it make economic sense to make one country into two and lose the economies of scale that the current arrangement provides. The UK HM Revenue and Customs cost £3 billion a year to run. Scotland will pay a share of that cost but it is nothing like what it will cost to set up an independent HMRC for Scotland from scratch. There is no DVLA presence in Scotland to take over and use as our own so that also will have to be set up from scratch. Add to that a diplomatic corps, overseas embassies, Ministry of defence, security services (spooks) and a financial regulator and it is quite a bill over and above all the current civil service, health service and judiciary functions. It is financial madness. But hey ho if you are one of the civil servants it must seem like a great idea.

 

[Toddy]

As reported by the BBC

Scottish independence: Jackson Carlaw would back currency union after "Yes" vote


The deputy leader of the Scottish Conservatives has agreed it would be "rational and sensible" for an independent Scotland to keep the pound.

Jackson Carlaw also said he would argue for Scotland to be automatically admitted to the EU in the event of a "Yes" vote in the referendum.

 

[Deleted account 210516001]

Fri, 21/02/2014 - 15:27

Deputy Leader of the Scottish Conservatives, Jackson Carlaw, today made clear his support for the pound being an independent Scotland's currency and for Scotland’s continuing position within the European Union.

Speaking on BBC Scotland’s Brian’s Big Debate today, Mr Carlaw stated that he would be “manning the barricades” for the pound after independence, in a further demonstration that the position of the Chancellor George Osborne and the anti-independence parties is a referendum campaign bluff.

Commenting, Kenneth Gibson MSP, Convener of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee, said:

“Jackson Carlaw’s comments are a welcome confirmation that a currency union is the right option not just for an independent Scotland but also for the rest of the UK – a fact made clear by the Fiscal Commission Working Group’s comprehensive analysis.

"The public backlash against George Osborne's sermon on the pound is growing - and the Tories and No campaign know it.

“Mr Carlaw’s admission shows that the Tories will support a currency union after a Yes vote – and confirms that George Osborne’s recent bluster on the pound was just campaign rhetoric designed to try and threaten people in Scotland into voting No.

“After a Yes vote, the bluff and bluster will come to an end and the Scottish and UK Governments will negotiate a currency union in the mutual interest of both countries - and I look forward to Jackson Carlaw being on Scotland’s side when those negotiations take place.”

Toddy for fucks sake give your brain a chance. Of course in the event of a yes vote Jackson Carlaw and every other MSP will be manning the barricades to keep the pound. I would be out there with them because it is the only solution that just might keep our heads above the financial waves. But here is the crunch. Jackson Carlaw will be on the barricades with me rather than in the debating chamber because neither of us will have a vote on whether or not the rest of the UK will enter into a currency union with Scotland. That will be decided by the rest of the UK. If they decide that Scotland, under an uber socialist government, is an economic basket case in the making they are not going to allow their currency to be linked to that basket case. They would never get it past the electorate south of the border even if they wanted to change their minds. In this case No really means No and all the wishing upon a star by slippery Eck will not make it otherwise.

 

[GrumpyTwo]

Typical unionist, never stopping to let the facts get in the way.

Here are some of the stories that have came from the bitter together campaign, each headline is linked to a real newspaper story just click on the link.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/reasons-to-be-fearful/

Now tell us what the truth is and who is telling it.

 

[Deleted account Cooperman]

Typical unionist, never stopping to let the facts get in the way.

Here are some of the stories that have came from the bitter together campaign, each headline is linked to a real newspaper story just click on the link.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/reasons-to-be-fearful/

Now tell us what the truth is and who is telling it.

Some of those are funny

It's even funnier that they are being used as propaganda - then I guess you have to remember the target audience

Without facts, or a plan, what else would you expect

 

[Deleted account 190920002]

Well it's wasted on me and mine voting no and always no. Sorry eck. Never liked Mel G anyway. So there tut tut. Getting wrong off wife now!!! For being cheeky.

 

[Shinyface]

Toddy delusional.....never !

Well Toddy it has started............the banking system as always looks after its own.
The Scottish TSB has re registered its offices for taxation purposes from SCOTLAND TO ENGLAND now that shows a level of financial concern for Scotlands future.
No doubt there will be a cut and paste to help us explain it...

Shinyface

toddy your delusional

 

[GrumpyTwo]

Scotland warned it is not guaranteed a place in the Eurovision Song Contest if it replaces BBC with its own broadcaster

http://wingsoverscotland.com/

This latest threat from the media and naysayers of the Bitter Together campaign swings it for me and I might have to change my vote.

 

[Shinyface]

songs..

Scotland warned it is not guaranteed a place in the Eurovision Song Contest if it replaces BBC with its own broadcaster

http://wingsoverscotland.com/

This latest threat from the media and naysayers of the Bitter Together campaign swings it for me and I might have to change my vote.

Don`t change your vote cos the eventual Scottish singer may well need it to avoid " nil point "......

 

[Toddy]

TSB

Lloyds Banking Group is gearing up for the flotation of its TSB arm later this year by registering a new holding company in advance of the £1bn share sale.

The bank, 33% of which is owned by the taxpayer, must dispose of the 631 branches now bunched together under the TSB brand under rules imposed by the EU after its £20bn taxpayer bailout.

The new holding company – TSB Banking Group plc – is based in England and Wales, which may disappoint those who had hoped it would be registered in Scotland, the traditional base of the bank.

However, as a result of the complex structure of banks, the holding company replaces one that was already registered in England. The arm through which customers actually conduct their business, TSB Bank plc, will continue to be licensed in Scotland.

Lloyds said: "The new company replaces an existing company which currently holds TSB Bank in the [Lloyds Banking Group] corporate structure and, like this existing company, will be registered in London at TSB's main office."

"Establishing new companies as part of a listing or IPO process is standard practice. The board of the new company will mirror that of TSB Bank," Lloyds added.

 

[Deleted account 210516001]

OK. Find something positive to say about Standard Life pulling their pensions business south of the wall.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/46...ly-express-uk-news+(Daily+Express+::+UK+Feed)

or are they bluffing as well?

 

[Devon]

Scotland warned it is not guaranteed a place in the Eurovision Song Contest if it replaces BBC with its own broadcaster

http://wingsoverscotland.com/

This latest threat from the media and naysayers of the Bitter Together campaign swings it for me and I might have to change my vote.

Unfortunately there are another 6 months of crap like this. I wonder how bitter things will become as reality hits home to some of the Nats like Toddy who appear to be under some sort of spell? Scotland has the chance to go its own way but salmon has become an embarrassment and is becoming a bigger and bigger idiot by the day. He threatens to walk away from Scotland's share of the UK's debt but does he honestly believe for one moment the UK simply won't keep Scotland's UK assets to the value of Scotland's debt? Apparently the Nats expect a 10% share of all the Uk's assets but can't comprehend that the UK will be looking for its share of the oil left which is British not Scottish and will sorted over many years in neutral International courts. Surely it is obvious that salmon can make all the demands he wants but he doesn't run the show as we have seen on demanding to use sterling or join Europe and he will not be the one helping himself to whatever he wants regardless of how often he repeats his demands.
I have taken a keen interest in the referendum but the case for independence has been so badly thought out and presented it has become a farce and the Scottish people deserve better. I expect the recriminations from whoever loses the referendum will split the Scots for generations.

 

[GrumpyTwo]

Unfortunately there are another 6 months of crap like this. I wonder how bitter things will become as reality hits home to some of the Nats like Toddy who appear to be under some sort of spell? Scotland has the chance to go its own way but salmon has become an embarrassment and is becoming a bigger and bigger idiot by the day. He threatens to walk away from Scotland's share of the UK's debt but does he honestly believe for one moment the UK simply won't keep Scotland's UK assets to the value of Scotland's debt? Apparently the Nats expect a 10% share of all the Uk's assets but can't comprehend that the UK will be looking for its share of the oil left which is British not Scottish and will sorted over many years in neutral International courts. Surely it is obvious that salmon can make all the demands he wants but he doesn't run the show as we have seen on demanding to use sterling or join Europe and he will not be the one helping himself to whatever he wants regardless of how often he repeats his demands.
I have taken a keen interest in the referendum but the case for independence has been so badly thought out and presented it has become a farce and the Scottish people deserve better. I expect the recriminations from whoever loses the referendum will split the Scots for generations.

I don't know who Toddy is other than he seems to be someone like myself who will vote yes for an independent Scotland.
I am not an SNP or Alex Salmond supporter but if he is an idiot what does that make the politicians currently in Westminster?
You want a share of the "British oil"? The oil that Scotland wants to keep is in Scottish territorial waters, the oil that is south of these waters will be in rUK waters and I doubt rUK will be willing to share it with Scotland. I wonder if they will want to share all of their other mineral and natural resource rights with us?
Yes the no campaign is farcical which you can tell from the link in one of my other posts.

Have a look here for more answers to all of your questions
http://www.wingsoverscotland.com

 

[Devon]

I don't know who Toddy is other than he seems to be someone like myself who will vote yes for an independent Scotland.

But the Scots aren't being offered independence, nobody has a clue what the country's future holds regarding currency or joining whatever remains of the EU in a couple of years time. At the moment the Scots are merely being asked to embark on another Darian type adventure.

I am not an SNP or Alex Salmond supporter but if he is an idiot what does that make the politicians currently in Westminster?
You want a share of the "British oil"? The oil that Scotland wants to keep is in Scottish territorial waters, the oil that is south of these waters will be in rUK waters and I doubt rUK will be willing to share it with Scotland. I wonder if they will want to share all of their other mineral and natural resource rights with us?

At the moment the oil is in British waters and belongs to the whole of the UK. There is no legal agreement in place that it would become the property of an Independent Scotland although many Scots assume there is and it is likely the Scots will demand a share of the UK's oil and mineral wealth. That's my point, at the moment there is absolutely no agreement and there can't be until after the referendum because salmon would blub about bullying which seems to be his main message when he can't get his own way.

 

[Captain Black]

I don't know who Toddy is other than he seems to be someone like myself who will vote yes for an independent Scotland.
I am not an SNP or Alex Salmond supporter but if he is an idiot what does that make the politicians currently in Westminster?
You want a share of the "British oil"? The oil that Scotland wants to keep is in Scottish territorial waters, the oil that is south of these waters will be in rUK waters and I doubt rUK will be willing to share it with Scotland. I wonder if they will want to share all of their other mineral and natural resource rights with us?
Yes the no campaign is farcical which you can tell from the link in one of my other posts.

Have a look here for more answers to all of your questions
http://www.wingsoverscotland.com

How about you keep your oil and we'll keep our road and rail network.

 

[GrumpyTwo]

How about you keep your oil and we'll keep our road and rail network.

Deal, but as soon as it crosses the border it becomes Scotland's road and rail network. Doh

 

[Captain Black]

Deal, but as soon as it crosses the border it becomes Scotland's road and rail network. Doh

I'll take that no problem.

 

[GrumpyTwo]

But the Scots aren't being offered independence, nobody has a clue what the country's future holds regarding currency or joining whatever remains of the EU in a couple of years time. At the moment the Scots are merely being asked to embark on another Darian type adventure.

At the moment the oil is in British waters and belongs to the whole of the UK. There is no legal agreement in place that it would become the property of an Independent Scotland although many Scots assume there is and it is likely the Scots will demand a share of the UK's oil and mineral wealth. That's my point, at the moment there is absolutely no agreement and there can't be until after the referendum because salmon would blub about bullying which seems to be his main message when he can't get his own way.

You are talking crap on both counts, the vote is for independence and what we do after a yes vote is up to us and Scotland's waters were devolved in the Scotland act 1988, enough said.