No abs ? Is your life only worth less than a £1000 ?
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No abs ? Is your life only worth less than a £1000 ?
2013 GSA's are the old twin cams though, so will be worth less (not worthless though
). Residuals on the GS are the best in the industry, and much better than the KTM. Try trading in a year old 1190, and you'll be horrified what they'll offer you.I've ridden the 1190R. Once at that box hill bash, and also for a couple of hours later in the year. It felt cheap. The switchgear was cheap, the brackets holding the mirrors on looked cheap. Admittedly, it was fast, and that seems to be all that anyone focuses on. But these bikes have had a number of major issues, that are widely publicised, so they are hardly fault free.
The GSA is 125bhp, and the 1190 is 148bhp, hardy a massive difference. I've been on spirited rides with people on 1190's, and with the torque of the GS, there's nothing in it, in the real world. If BMW were really that worried, they would up the power of the GS & GSA, but they aren't, as most riders that buy the GS want an all rounder. And, year after year, it is the best selling bike in its class, something that KTM can only dream of.
So, other than the power figures, what is it that's so special about the 1190 or 1290, because from where I was sitting, there's nothing to tempt me away from a GS.
I thought about a KTM 1290 super adventure but from my perspective there are three main reasons for not choosing a KTM
1) Chain drive - shaft is just so more convenient.
2) Dealer network - it is quite limited, I'd have to travel much further if I had problems - BMW dealers are a step up over KTM.
3) Lastly but not least, I like the GS LC, it is just that bit classier in my opinion.
Oh nearly forgot - I like the Telever suspension more than conventional forks.
1) Chain drive - shaft is just so more convenient.
2) Dealer network - it is quite limited, I'd have to travel much further if I had problems - BMW dealers are a step up over KTM.
3) Lastly but not least, I like the GS LC, it is just that bit classier in my opinion.
Oh nearly forgot - I like the Telever suspension more than conventional forks.
I've survived 41 years of motorcycling without ABS
You fly aeroplanes, your life at work depends on electricity, computers, microchips, circuit boards with dodgy soldering and the decisions made by other people. You put your trust in all that, I put my trust in me
Not saying this is applicable to yourself but 75% of ownership is due to badge snobbery, (look I'm better than you because I have a bm wtf is all that about)
Used TC bikes seem to make as much as used WC bikes.. Why!!
So, other than the power figures, what is it that's so special about the 1190 or 1290, because from where I was sitting, there's nothing to tempt me away from a GS.
I think you either get KTMs or you don't.
For me,riding a KTM is a far more engaging experience than a BMW.
I did enjoy owning a GSA 12 when they came out in 2006.But it did feel cheap ! Who would let a bike leave the factory already going rusty ????
The best thing about the bike was that it let you enjoy the scenery as it just got on with the job in a bland way.But ride the same trip on a KTM and you feel drawn in by the bike.The WP suspension is usually sublime and you just gel with it in a way most BMWs don't.
I tried a new GSA LC but wasn't impressed-it rode ok but the styling is hideous and unfinished-just look at the tubing and the asymmetrical pannier rails !!!
I agree that the KTM switch gear is not their strong point,but at least it works,unlike some of the shite BMW churn out-I was very pissed off to have my switch gear on my K1300S fail with less than 30 miles on the clock !! Three mates who also bought the bike had the same issue from new.
BMW will always have a huge following,especially those that seek the lifestyle and see an old re-run of a Ewan and Charlie special.
But many people make the move to a KTM and then they 'get it'.
You're definitely a BMW man, Nutty !!
I think you either get KTMs or you don't.
For me,riding a KTM is a far more engaging experience than a BMW.
I did enjoy owning a GSA 12 when they came out in 2006.But it did feel cheap ! Who would let a bike leave the factory already going rusty ????
The best thing about the bike was that it let you enjoy the scenery as it just got on with the job in a bland way.But ride the same trip on a KTM and you feel drawn in by the bike.The WP suspension is usually sublime and you just gel with it in a way most BMWs don't.
I tried a new GSA LC but wasn't impressed-it rode ok but the styling is hideous and unfinished-just look at the tubing and the asymmetrical pannier rails !!!
I agree that the KTM switch gear is not their strong point,but at least it works,unlike some of the shite BMW churn out-I was very pissed off to have my switch gear on my K1300S fail with less than 30 miles on the clock !! Three mates who also bought the bike had the same issue from new.
BMW will always have a huge following,especially those that seek the lifestyle and see an old re-run of a Ewan and Charlie special.
But many people make the move to a KTM and then they 'get it'.
You're definitely a BMW man, Nutty !!
It sounds like you had some issues with your bikes, which has tarnished your image of ALL BMW's. Which is a shame.
Looks are subjective, but you can't honestly tell me that the KTM is a good looking bike, cos it ain't!
As I've said before, for the time being, BMW have my business as there's nothing else that can tempt me away, but if something comes along that truly is better than the GSA, I'd be more than happy to move, and will gladly post about it on here.
I've survived 41 years of motorcycling without ABS
You fly aeroplanes, your life at work depends on electricity, computers, microchips, circuit boards with dodgy soldering and the decisions made by other people. You put your trust in all that, I put my trust in me
That's the great thing about technology . It s designed to the human body's limits . It's there when you're tired , not expecting the unexpected . It'll then intervene to look after you . Or last least give you the best possible outcome to your impending accident .
Pretentious twaddle...I think you either get KTMs or you don't.
For me,riding a KTM is a far more engaging experience than a BMW.
I did enjoy owning a GSA 12 when they came out in 2006.But it did feel cheap ! Who would let a bike leave the factory already going rusty ????
The best thing about the bike was that it let you enjoy the scenery as it just got on with the job in a bland way.But ride the same trip on a KTM and you feel drawn in by the bike.The WP suspension is usually sublime and you just gel with it in a way most BMWs don't.
I tried a new GSA LC but wasn't impressed-it rode ok but the styling is hideous and unfinished-just look at the tubing and the asymmetrical pannier rails !!!
I agree that the KTM switch gear is not their strong point,but at least it works,unlike some of the shite BMW churn out-I was very pissed off to have my switch gear on my K1300S fail with less than 30 miles on the clock !! Three mates who also bought the bike had the same issue from new.
BMW will always have a huge following,especially those that seek the lifestyle and see an old re-run of a Ewan and Charlie special.
But many people make the move to a KTM and then they 'get it'.
You're definitely a BMW man, Nutty !!
Looks are subjective, but you can't honestly tell me that the KTM is a good looking bike, cos it ain't!
I think the KTM 1290 SA looks quite good-not as nice as the original Adv 950 or indeed my Superenduro but streets ahead of the GSA LC which ,in my own opinion, looks like an over-styled caricature and about 80% finished.
A black/yellow 1150GSA is a much nicer looking bike,and with a better build quality !!
We shall agree to disagree.
Now, let me know when you're next out for a bimble, as it would be good to catch up.
I have been out on rides with LC's and KTM's and I would agree with Nutty there is little to choose between them in relation to speed or handling with riders of similar skill levels, the 1190 seems to ride a bit like a like super motard with the riders doing the knees out thing but Nutty was right with them on his comfortable LC, not that I'm planning on a new bike but if I were it would be the Bm because it's a comfortable two up tourer as well as a hooligans bike.
Mr Arsey sounds like a tango version of our own Nutty with his obsessive brand devotion . 
Did somebody mention KTM ???....
Have you got one,thought you'd have mentioned before now
What - Giles has got a KTM - you would have thought he would have mentioned it by now .....
Or even better he could has posted some pictures of it, oh no - todo that he would have also had to have bought a camera ��
Or even better he could has posted some pictures of it, oh no - todo that he would have also had to have bought a camera ��
Mr Arsey sounds like a tango version of our own Nutty with his obsessive brand devotion .
Is that why I've also owned about 8 BMWs,3 Ducatis,4 Hondas,2 MVs,2 Triumphs,2 Aprilias,4 Kwaks,numerous Suzukis etc etc ??
Is that the Mr Arse that looks a bit like Mr Toby Moody ...
And there was me thinking how he reminded me of Bounce !!
We shall agree to disagree.
Now, let me know when you're next out for a bimble, as it would be good to catch up.
Should be out at the weekend as my mate is picking up his new 1190,traded up from a GS1200
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