$31000 Wankpanzer !

[Boxerlust]

Arsey if you finally go blind from too much wanken maybe BMW gives you back lid switches so even you will be able to find the horn or blinker…I wait for you in Cabo while you take the bus Configurated my 1300 in Triple Black with the options you need and sports suspension & forged wheels which are a must have…27 grand…Lots of dough considering you have to stop and fill up for gas ️ every 150 miles max and having to spend another 2 grand for a decent sounding exhaust system without the HUGE pre-muffler and still have no bags…

 

[Doc]

Bloody bargain.

 

[g.s.john]

Arsey if you finally go blind from too much wanken maybe BMW gives you back lid switches so even you will be able to find the horn or blinker…I wait for you in Cabo while you take the bus Configurated my 1300 in Triple Black with the options you need and sports suspension & forged wheels which are a must have…27 grand…Lots of dough considering you have to stop and fill up for gas ️ every 150 miles max and having to spend another 2 grand for a decent sounding exhaust system without the HUGE pre-muffler and still have no bags…

27 Grand that's what i paid for my first house.

 

[GSian]

27 Grand that's what i paid for my first house.

Starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch. I could have bought next door as well with £27K.

 

[knutk]

Well, it seems like at least one of the prayers from California have come through

A Motorrad magazine has compared the R1300GS to a KTM1290 and Multistrada, including a Dyno test.

As my copy is in a language which is strange to 99,8 % of the worlds population, I will settle for sharing the graph of the Dyno run, with the compliments of the Motorrad magazine.

https://flic.kr/p/2pDuhS9

The labels are self explanatory.

The numbers for the R1300 are indeed impressive, 154 Nm and 151 Hp are way above published numbers., while the other two bikes showing less than advertised.

The graphs also show one of the disadvantage from the twin boxer engine vs V2/V4, as the torque starts dropping at 6 300 RPM.

The graphs are taken from a Dyno run, but the text do not say if the numbers are corrected since it's meassured from the rear wheel.

Anyway, what ever method being used, BMW sure has cut the work out for the competition in the catch-up game

 

[littleade]

Well, it seems like at least one of the prayers from California have come through

A Motorrad magazine has compared the R1300GS to a KTM1290 and Multistrada, including a Dyno test.

As my copy is in a language which is strange to 99,8 % of the worlds population, I will settle for sharing the graph of the Dyno run, with the compliments of the Motorrad magazine.

https://flic.kr/p/2pDuhS9

The labels are self explanatory.

The numbers for the R1300 are indeed impressive, 154 Nm and 151 Hp are way above published numbers., while the other two bikes showing less than advertised.

The graphs also show one of the disadvantage from the twin boxer engine vs V2/V4, as the torque starts dropping at 6 300 RPM.

The graphs are taken from a Dyno run, but the text do not say if the numbers are corrected since it's meassured from the rear wheel.

Anyway, what ever method being used, BMW sure has cut the work out for the competition in the catch-up game

Isn't this just a case of the GS revving less in general as all 3 produce peak torque at between 80 and 82% of when they produce peak power (Ducati the least, BMW the highest with KTM in the middle)

 

[knutk]

Isn't this just a case of the GS revving less in general as all 3 produce peak torque at between 80 and 82% of when they produce peak power (Ducati the least, BMW the highest with KTM in the middle)

Yes.
But the reason for the twin Boxers ability to rev. less is that both pistions moves out and in simultaniously. This causes a Pumping/suction action that that causes som resistanse to the engine, and the resistanse increase by the RPM. The breather will handle the lower RPM, but it will only do so much, and higher RPMs is more than it will handle..
Same issue with old Nortons and the twin BMW F800 engine, where also both pistions moved in the same direction. And the same for 1 cyl 4 strokes...

A 4 (and up) cyl boxer will have pistions also moving the opposit direction and cancel the pumping resitance, and a V engine will have on pistion moving inwards while the other moves outbound, thus they also cancel the pumping resistance.
If you ever compare the BMW F800 (360/360 crank) with the F850 (270/450 crank), you will notice straight away how much easier the 850 revs.

As for the 151 Hp measured for the R1300, if it is correct, these is a very impressive numbers.

154Nm for a 1300CC engine means there is an impressive 11,85Nm/100 rpm ratio, and this is higly impressive for a normal aspirated engine.
(R1250: 143Nm/12,5 = 11,44 Nm/100Rpm, KTM 1290:137m/12,9 = 10,6Nm/100CC, Multstrada: 121Nm/12 = 10,1Nm/100CC)

And both the KTM and Ducati are considered as having powerful engines.

Why this talk about torque?
Keep in mind that when you Dyno test and engine, the Dyno bench meassure TORQUE ONLY. Hp is a calculated value based on Nm and RPM.

Formula is: (Nm X RPM)/7127.

Thus, by increasing either RPM or Nm, the Hp will go up. And since the RPM rise is a higer number than the NM drop (after Nm peak value) it takes some additional RPMS to reach Peak HP.

But if you ride, and want maximum acceleration from your bike, best performance will be achived by keeping the engine close to the Peak Torque number..

 

[stick]

Had both the V4s and the currently the new 1300 , the Gs now is a fantastic motor and you just ride it as it punches so well at all revs , the V4 motor you had to keep it in the power like a 2 stoke to keep the torque at a usable level , the Gs is easier and more compliant. Plus the V4 was wearing on a long ride as up down , up down the box like a whore draws and always running a gear lower .
Sometimes you would loose the torque due to a miscalculation , the gs has so much in comparrision , these errors do not happen ( well almost lol)
Its shit on tyres mind , at 1400 miles and the fronts going and the rear tearing a bit , and its only winter. The bike just wheelies all the time and out of corners , as did the V4 , but its effortless on the Gs , the multi was more contrived.
My seat of my pants puts the 1300 ahead of the V4s as its more fun , with the Basket Case Parts Dropper last.

 

[Boxerlust]

Now imagine they would give it 80 mm stroke for a full 1400 cc…It would be faster than the 1250 roll-on 60-120 in 6th gear despite being roughly 5% taller geared Another 1000 rpm on top would be highly appreciated too but maybe the are holding back for the M1300GS Or next gen with Mittellager / 3 bearing crankshaft We’ll see…

 

[tanneman]

There are more exciting cars to buy at 31k than a GS. Fuck that.

 

[leadfarmer]

There are more exciting cars to buy at 31k than a GS. Fuck that.

Those are dollars, not Pounds

 

[stick]

There are more exciting cars to buy at 31k than a GS. Fuck that.

But 4 wheels ….. I have seen a line of super cars on the Italian passes , it’s like a procession of nothing . 2 wheels rule Love my Lancia integrale but love my gs more , it’s just made for the roads we have now .

 

[knutk]

Now imagine they would give it 80 mm stroke for a full 1400 cc…It would be faster than the 1250 roll-on 60-120 in 6th gear despite being roughly 5% taller geared Another 1000 rpm on top would be highly appreciated too but maybe the are holding back for the M1300GS Or next gen with Mittellager / 3 bearing crankshaft We’ll see…

Nahhh, no bother.

If they gave you 80mm and 1400cc, you would want 85mm and 1500cc, If 3 bearings you would ask for 4, and so on... Before you know it, there would another BossHoss

 

[Troppo]

Had both the V4s and the currently the new 1300 , the Gs now is a fantastic motor and you just ride it as it punches so well at all revs , the V4 motor you had to keep it in the power like a 2 stoke to keep the torque at a usable level , the Gs is easier and more compliant. Plus the V4 was wearing on a long ride as up down , up down the box like a whore draws and always running a gear lower .
Sometimes you would loose the torque due to a miscalculation , the gs has so much in comparrision , these errors do not happen ( well almost lol)
Its shit on tyres mind , at 1400 miles and the fronts going and the rear tearing a bit , and its only winter. The bike just wheelies all the time and out of corners , as did the V4 , but its effortless on the Gs , the multi was more contrived.
My seat of my pants puts the 1300 ahead of the V4s as its more fun , with the Basket Case Parts Dropper last.

I had an SA-S. The 1300 feels stronger down low. I can now see why. Very impressive!

 

[Troppo]

There are more exciting cars to buy at 31k than a GS. Fuck that.

Well, away you go, then.

 

[Troppo]

But 4 wheels ….. I have seen a line of super cars on the Italian passes , it’s like a procession of nothing . 2 wheels rule Love my Lancia integrale but love my gs more , it’s just made for the roads we have now .

Yep. I had an M3 for a while. I still prefer bikes.

 

[Boxerlust]

I had Camaros , Challenger , Vette and while their V8’s make beautiful music nothing beats the excitement of leaning and riding a motorcycle fast…Not even flying ! And Knut a third center bearing would make the boxer perfect Stability for crank and case and the ability to raise the rev ceiling…Also 700 cc per cylinder are probably the limit and optimum for the triangle power , torque , revs on a N/A twin…I wont ask for more I promise But even the current one is pretty impressive and the strongest motorcycle engine currently on sale between 3 and 8 K rpm…

 

[younger06]

But 4 wheels ….. I have seen a line of super cars on the Italian passes , it’s like a procession of nothing . 2 wheels rule Love my Lancia integrale but love my gs more , it’s just made for the roads we have now .

Integrale.....

Very impressive.
Which one, they changed a bit with model progression?

Sent with a Zen10

 

[Boxerlust]

2 wheels always beat 4 no matter the price tag when it comes to fun but still pretty impressive how Ferrari or Porsche have managed in their latest offerings to get superbike acceleration speed out of their sled$$$…I dont talk about the boring/soulless EV junk because 4 wheels need a V8 playing beautiful music paired to a manual while 2 wheels a 2 cylinder Boxer - Telelever & Driveshaft that needs no attention until it gets replaced at the 50K mile mark on the 1300GS

 

[stick]

89 16 valve red , great car , gone now to the rust heap in the sky , but what a motor .