agree 100%. If lazy , the gearchanging is diabolical (crashy). But if I am doing my job , the gearbox is magic.
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agree 100%. If lazy , the gearchanging is diabolical (crashy). But if I am doing my job , the gearbox is magic.
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Aftermarket fix is out for the clutch problems just £95 from your nearest TT dealer
Select position4 on lever and fit these
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Select position4 on lever and fit these
TT gloves with extra log fingers are due out end of March 2014 for the full "Adventure Look" price TBA
My gear change is snickety-slick and the
lever setting does happen to be on '4'. I have no idea if these facts are linked, and really can't be arsed to set it to '1'.
Personally I suspect this is a one in a thousand issue whipped up by jealous oil heads, and a combination of minor issues including excess oil and rider error.
lever setting does happen to be on '4'. I have no idea if these facts are linked, and really can't be arsed to set it to '1'.
Personally I suspect this is a one in a thousand issue whipped up by jealous oil heads, and a combination of minor issues including excess oil and rider error.
Totally agree. This box is pretty good, but it punishes lazy riding.
BM is getting me for the third time a new bike but this time with a lazy clutch
You carry on and do your job
sure man. there is a lengthy article in a french publication which tested GSLCs back to back between riders who complained of crashy boxes vs riders who did not.
their conclusion : its the rider.
but , heck , if you got a new bike out of BMW , all the better !
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their conclusion : its the rider.
but , heck , if you got a new bike out of BMW , all the better !
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Jumble... if you wouldnt mind having a go it would be helpful, as in the spirit of what this thread was set out to be! The general idea was for this thread to post their findings. Not post about not being arsed!
Pistole....wtf man. lazy? Its really not about that.
Pistole....wtf man. lazy? Its really not about that.
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God its cold this morning....fingers are thawing out now so I can type...
Ive had to do lots of block changing down this morning which i didnt try yesterday, that was more of a thrash and check each gear change scenario!. But block changing down actually happened today.
Also, from cold the gears werent mashing up or down either so its certainly an improvement, feels like it did before its 1st service.
Hope some of you also get some improvement!
Ive had to do lots of block changing down this morning which i didnt try yesterday, that was more of a thrash and check each gear change scenario!. But block changing down actually happened today.
Also, from cold the gears werent mashing up or down either so its certainly an improvement, feels like it did before its 1st service.
Hope some of you also get some improvement!
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Hmm bollocks i say. ive ridden two different 2013 LCs over the same extended test ride route, one fine, the other very very crunchy, though the bad one improved when the engine was really warm.
Yes this is indeed bollox. Are you suggesting not being able to find neutral is rider error ?
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There are plenty riders who just do not have the knack of doing it. I'm not saying you are one of them, but that is indeed the case. Recently a gentleman said the same about his recently purchased K1200S. Can you adjust it? Fix it? I managed to get neutral with the bike stopped and wheels turning.
No fault found?
Try different boots? Refine your technique...
If you can meet up with other owners and swap - even if only for 20 yds in a car park and they find yours fine and you have problems with theirs then your solution is to learn how to change gear differently or change machine.
If the other owner finds yours a problem then you're absolutely correct.
As a point of reference though, try a Guzzi 850. Stop and select neutral... We'll be here waiting!
No fault found?
Try different boots? Refine your technique...
If you can meet up with other owners and swap - even if only for 20 yds in a car park and they find yours fine and you have problems with theirs then your solution is to learn how to change gear differently or change machine.
If the other owner finds yours a problem then you're absolutely correct.
As a point of reference though, try a Guzzi 850. Stop and select neutral... We'll be here waiting!
Intriguing ...can you point me to this article ?
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I ran the dealers demo and my bike back to back (with the clutch spacer set to 4 on both bikes), the demo was sweet through all the gears and neutral was easy to select even with the bike moving, while mine was shite and got worse as the bike got warmer. Lazy gear changing ... I don't fuckin think so -
There is a lot of bollox on the gear change and neutral issue.......BMW are working on a solution to get consistency........the new 2014 bikes when ridden back to back with the troublesome 2013 bikes reveal the gap in consistency.
I do feel there is a group who want to deny the issue to tell themselves how competent they are, how bloody superior and how much they know about BMW......WELL ENJOY YOUR RIDING and I have to assume you have very wide seats to accommodate your huge bollox.
I do feel there is a group who want to deny the issue to tell themselves how competent they are, how bloody superior and how much they know about BMW......WELL ENJOY YOUR RIDING and I have to assume you have very wide seats to accommodate your huge bollox.
Are you trying to find neutral, when stopped?
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It is both with my rejected bike Johnny, and the bang when selecting first was really loud.
I know wet clutches on modern Trials bikes are an absolute bugger to get into neutral and suffer from drag badly, so much so that whilst waiting at a section you some times have to kill the engine to do it - so I find easier to 'snick' in whilst moving slowly
Very susceptible to oil type and the stuff I used is from Elf and it's about £45/litre
and the only thing that seems to work
Spot on!
If you can't find neutral (where there is no fault with the bike) then you shouldn't be riding.
Clearly that is not the case here. Sorry to say I'm in the 'not bought or ridden one yet' camp but I don't believe for one second that rider error is the issue here. Where are all the Twin Cam riders complaining about their dodgy gearboxes ???
Please wake up and smell the coffee....
Clearly that is not the case here. Sorry to say I'm in the 'not bought or ridden one yet' camp but I don't believe for one second that rider error is the issue here. Where are all the Twin Cam riders complaining about their dodgy gearboxes ???
Please wake up and smell the coffee....
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all 3 of my KTMs are the same, I normally stick it in neutral before stopping. The issues with my LC started after the first service and got gradually worse as I racked up the miles, this is highly unlikely to be "lazy" gear changing - 
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