R1300GS / the good the bad & the ugly
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You are tenacious. It never will. Because it will a. Make the engine longer, b. Make the cylinder offset greater, and c. It doesn't need it anyway.
they have thrown a catalogue at it…
There you have it!
You have finally admitted to have been growing up as one and to become a spoiled brat with exceptional level of demands and expectations, and for the world to revolve around you.
Well then, let me enlighten you, IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
There you have it!
You have finally admitted to have been growing up as one and to become a spoiled brat with exceptional level of demands and expectations, and for the world to revolve around you.
Well then, let me enlighten you, IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
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Thats the point YOU dont.
No one else seems that bothered, 200 mile tank range is more than enough for most folk, if you are ragging it round redlining like a dickhead everywhere you aren't the target market, most of us have grown up a bit.
Also most of us have weak bladders … so the fuel range is no issue
Oh still not grown up yet
Oh still not grown up yet
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Now I have found more facts about the 1300, I am convinced that a test ride is required.
Spec and what is included in packages here in France will need to be explained as BMW seem to have soooo many options that I cant keep track.
Will want shifter, heated grips, ESA. Not fussed about electric screens, that is so 1990 and was not impressed by one on a gsx1100f !
But looking at sport brakes, sport suspension (is it really just off road) and also forged wheels* Basically leaving all of the none essential stuff off the bike, as I ride solo and prefer soft luggage for reduced bulk and weight.
* described as off road…but lighter and stronger. Hmm. So surely of benefit on the road for improved handling?
Reading through BMW info, it seems there is a plus or minus 2 ‘clicks’ for each suspension setting. I assume to give some fine tuning. Sounds interesting. Always been baffled at the lack of fine tuning on many electronically controlled systems, with the worst being the mk1 Superduke gt…no sweet spot. The S1r at least allowed sag set-up, which made a huge difference to getting the bike right.
Spec and what is included in packages here in France will need to be explained as BMW seem to have soooo many options that I cant keep track.
Will want shifter, heated grips, ESA. Not fussed about electric screens, that is so 1990 and was not impressed by one on a gsx1100f !
But looking at sport brakes, sport suspension (is it really just off road) and also forged wheels* Basically leaving all of the none essential stuff off the bike, as I ride solo and prefer soft luggage for reduced bulk and weight.
* described as off road…but lighter and stronger. Hmm. So surely of benefit on the road for improved handling?
Reading through BMW info, it seems there is a plus or minus 2 ‘clicks’ for each suspension setting. I assume to give some fine tuning. Sounds interesting. Always been baffled at the lack of fine tuning on many electronically controlled systems, with the worst being the mk1 Superduke gt…no sweet spot. The S1r at least allowed sag set-up, which made a huge difference to getting the bike right.
There are lots of areas in the world where 150 miles tank range when you give it the berries dont cut it…OK it is probably no secret that BMW will bring another ADV with a BIG tank but then you have to go with a really big bike which is good or bad depending how big you are…24 liters would have been a great compromise and there were days at BMW when you got choose if you were a urban rider with a small bladder and smoking habit and you could either get a 17 or 24 liter tank…Hint,hint…I guess now it is 19 or 30 liters which is too big or still 4 liters too small on your once in a lifetime trip to Ushuaia…As for the power 149 NM are great but in combination with the taller gearing maybe the shorter geared 1250 might feel stronger…And 145 hp is nothing to write home about nowadays as 155 would be psychologically a much nicer number and step up from 136 hp but maybe BMW is going back to the 2 tier or even 3 tier engine configuration like in the days when the GS had 80 the others 90 and the S 98 hp…Hope remains the M1300GS will get a 17 instead of 21 inch front wheel and will be the XR version of the GS for people who prefer a boxer twin - Telelever & driveshaft over a 205 hp M-XR or 180 hp MS-RS…! Time will tell…Surprised nobody has commented about the foot brake that is linked to the front brake and if it can be deleted in pro modes !?
Can we all agree with Boxerlust and move on? He is correct on all the items BMW should have done......it is amazing how he hits the nail on the head. and is so complete......bravo Boxerlust.
It does make me worry about the sales of the GS1300 and if BMW will lose market share. Or maybe everyone will wait for the Adventure model despite the flaws that BMW will build in, on purpose, sort of deliberate like.
I am wondering if I should cancel my three orders for the GS1300 or hang on as they might increase in value due to their rarity.
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LOL…Let me explain so you can relate where I am coming from and I will say nothing about the looks because that is personal taste…The new GS is great and a real improvement for people who could not touch flat footed and had to buy the low version…They dont loose speed in the corners anymore because they lost 20 mm cornering clearance ! Also for people who use shift assist the new system seems to work like it should.Also adaptive cruise seems en vogue since the MS has it…I myself never use cruise control.Also it seems the new bike seems stable at high speed as you can go 140/225 top speed instead experiencing the death wobble with bags & topcase at speed from 125/200 on…So far so good ! 149 Nm Torque are nothing to complain about either but in combination with the taller gearing I would be surprised if the new bike feels faster ! OK now my complaints for people like myself who have a 1250 GS that is between 1 and almost 5 years old as my 2019 just turned 4…After 4 years I am ready to buy a new bike as sometimes I get bored or feel the itch for something new…I still like my 1250-HP with black BMW cast wheels , BMW Akra , black BMW aliminum panniers , Rally seat and Tractive suspension that are taller and stiffer than the ADV shocks…Still a great bike and my only complain is the wobble and I would love a gallon more range and of course another 20 hp/1000 rpm more on top for a bit of a rush…Going forward to the new bike I probably have to cough up close to 20 grand for the new one farkel’d out right…What do I get for that that my 1250 does not have ? A TFT sports screen that should be retrofitable via a download for the 1250…Hint,hint ! A nice tank compartment which should have been lockable like any glovebox in a car.The mentioned ability to go 140 instead of 125 max with bags…But also no exhaust sound whatsoever,ugly radar boxes front and rear , stupid linked rear brake lever and blinkers that also function as turn signals and brake light which is confusing and borderline dangerous…IMHO So to make it short I am not tempted but with another 1000 rpm / 20 hp on top and 40 miles in the tank I would have to my dealer I dont care about a low trade in as long as you get me a Tripleblack with sports suspension / brakes and forged rims ! Thinking about it shipping the bikes without and letting the customer decide if the dealer puts keyless or a ignition lock for a real key in it would have been cool too…Oh well at least people with short legs and people who like quiet electric bikes but hate the weight and short range/long recharging times will probably love the new GS as quiet and smooth it seems to be but I am sure the new Akra can be drilled out as easy as the old “fishtail” Akra that sounds so good on the 1250…LOL
I'm intrigued to know whereabouts in NorCal you're able to ride at these kind of speeds with impunity....?
ChazzyB…You probably know the crankshaft with mittellager/3 bearings is wasted on the R18…On a smaller boxer it could mean the engine could turn up to 10500 rpm and put the new 1390 from team orange to shame…LOL
I cant believe the R18 powertrain designers put an unnecessary bearing in the engine.
It is very necessary to protect the engine case and crankshaft from destruction through flexing caused by big heavy pistons or high rpm like 9000 rpm plus on a twin…A triple bearing crank would have looked less symmetric but would have given the new boxer more potential for more performance at the cost of a little more friction…A small price to pay.Still wonder how much weight a aluminum frame instead of the F series welded pressed steel frame would have saved at what additional cost and surprised that nobody had commented on the fact that the foot brake activates the front discs now…Wonder how you are supposed to do a tight circle at steering lock holding the bike on the rear brake otherwise I dont care since I never use the rear brake or better the bike does it for me using the brake lever at the handlebar…
I mean, technically, you've been riding a flat twin engine rather than a true boxer engine this whole time anyway since the pistons are on the same crankpin. So you're really just aching for that true boxer experience that you've never had on a GS.
What?I mean, technically, you've been riding a flat twin engine rather than a true boxer engine this whole time anyway since the pistons are on the same crankpin. So you're really just aching for that true boxer experience that you've never had on a GS.
Just saying that 'technically' if the pistons are on the same crank pin the engine isn't considered a true boxer, rather it's a flat engine. He bangs on about this magic third bearing which would actually put the pistons on separate crank pins and therefore transform it into a 'true' boxer. Just poking fun because of some technicalities and his broken record posts.
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if you're an experienced rider im sure you will work it out in about 1 nanosecond, it is probably minimal brake pressure at the front but allows use of rear braking to stabilise the bike at speed and scrub off a bit of speed if required. You've said it yourself you never use the rear brake, maybe this addresses one of the reasons why.
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