remapping

[Blackal]

You should really do a search for "hilltop". There are huge threads.

But - you should get smoother off/on throttle transitions, better pick-up from low revs , and a bigger shove mid-range. I don't think there has been any 1200 SC TC owners who have not been impressed by the change.

Overall fuel consumption does not appear to have been harmed either.

I'd recommend it

Al

 

[duckspeed]

Plus one for all the above and my fuel consumption improved too!

 

[rovert57]

What does this remap cost roughly
bike is standard 2011 1200 gsa 250000 mile

 

[Hoff]

Remapping

Last year in June it cost £350, why not give Geoff a ring.

 

[fizzer]

i just paid 250quid ,six weeks ago,but then again thats the third gs1200 he has done for me

 

[Lord Snooty]

What! Two pages in and Engineer isn't in here trolling, he must be unwell.

 

[Alan R]

What! Two pages in and Engineer isn't in here trolling, he must be unwell.

Hoff suggested giving Geoff a ring... clearly this ungodly idea is to engineer as garlic is to a vampire - to be avoided at all costs.
Alan R

 

[oldnfat]

Hoff suggested giving Geoff a ring... clearly this ungodly idea is to engineer as garlic is to a vampire - to be avoided at all costs.
Alan R

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! You will only encourage him in!

 

[Roger 04 RT]

Last year in June it cost £350, why not give Geoff a ring.

For about that price you could do what mistacat has done (and measured) which is to add AF-XIEDs and shift the O2 sensor several percent richer. Once you do, the BMSK will remap itself by adjusting its lambda control factors, and multiplicative and additive trims. No Dyno time needed, project done.

If you ever want to reverse the process or sell the bike you simply remove the devices, which can then be used on a newer bike if you go that route. No paying for a remap each time you buy a BMW.

 

[Bendy toy]

Was that a court appearance for speeding....

The wheelie across London Bridge traffic lights was a struggle to justify.

 

[Bendy toy]

For about that price you could do what mistacat has done (and measured) which is to add AF-XIEDs and shift the O2 sensor several percent richer. Once you do, the BMSK will remap itself by adjusting its lambda control factors, and multiplicative and additive trims. No Dyno time needed, project done.

If you ever want to reverse the process or sell the bike you simply remove the devices, which can then be used on a newer bike if you go that route. No paying for a remap each time you buy a BMW.

Most of the cost is Geoff's huge experience with these engines. He does pretty well (thanks) because nobody else comes close.

 

[comberjohn]

Without any disrespect to Geoff, I'm aware that he has many satisfied customers, no one on this forum or any other has experienced the benefits of a Hilltop remap in direct comparison to using the AF-XiED units on a BMW twin.
Any accounts that I've read on those who have had a Hilltop remap and those who have used the AF-XiED units sound remarkably similar. Maybe they are?
What I'm saying is that while Geoff has had much experience and success with remaps on BMW twins, other methods have their merits also.
I've used a PCV and was very impressed with the changes but is it better than a remap? No idea, never tried one. So my OPINION has no validity in comparing the two.
I'm waiting for a pair of AF-XiED units to try on my TC and I'm hoping they will give me similar drivability to the PCV but retaining the adaption benefits of the stock ECU. Then I can give my OPINION on the comparison between the PCV and the AF-XiED units. Still won't know anything about a remap, though.
The point is that if the AF-XiED units are as good as a PCV or remap or even close, not necessarily better, then they are worth considering, even for the benefits that Roger mentions above.
Let's keep an open mind here.
Unless someone has experienced both a remap and the AF-XiED units and would care to share?
BTW Roger, crap name. Should have called it something like 'Massive Power' thingy or something similarly butch. You know how they think.
You know, 'Booster Plug' or Power Commander' even 'Remap' inspires the thought that you need it because you're so cool and fast.
The name is worth another 10bhp alone!

 

[Roger 04 RT]

RE: the name, I totally agree. But it's not my product, I just specified and tested it for Nightrider. They had a history with the Harley crowd and wanted to maintain their naming structure. Power Plug would have been okay by me.

 

[Gordon T]

Without any disrespect to Geoff, I'm aware that he has many satisfied customers, no one on this forum or any other has experienced the benefits of a Hilltop remap in direct comparison to using the AF-XiED units on a BMW twin.
Any accounts that I've read on those who have had a Hilltop remap and those who have used the AF-XiED units sound remarkably similar. Maybe they are?
What I'm saying is that while Geoff has had much experience and success with remaps on BMW twins, other methods have their merits also.
I've used a PCV and was very impressed with the changes but is it better than a remap? No idea, never tried one. So my OPINION has no validity in comparing the two.
I'm waiting for a pair of AF-XiED units to try on my TC and I'm hoping they will give me similar drivability to the PCV but retaining the adaption benefits of the stock ECU. Then I can give my OPINION on the comparison between the PCV and the AF-XiED units. Still won't know anything about a remap, though.
The point is that if the AF-XiED units are as good as a PCV or remap or even close, not necessarily better, then they are worth considering, even for the benefits that Roger mentions above.
Let's keep an open mind here.
Unless someone has experienced both a remap and the AF-XiED units and would care to share?
BTW Roger, crap name. Should have called it something like 'Massive Power' thingy or something similarly butch. You know how they think.
You know, 'Booster Plug' or Power Commander' even 'Remap' inspires the thought that you need it because you're so cool and fast.
The name is worth another 10bhp alone!

Whats the verdict on the fitting of the AF-XiED device(s)?

 

[lawvar]

Hilltop block booking

is there anyone in the northwest that does remapping on the gsa as the famed hiltop
tuners are a bit far from me,

I'm having mine done at hilltop
I'll have an early slot you can come later
Anyone else ?

Let me know guys if interested ill speak to Geoff and see what discount I can get

Thanks

 

[Bendy toy]

I have a Power Commander V which does a great job with a non variable system. But go for an paper air filter from an oiled foam type and the setting will be wrong. Set it correctly for track day baffles out and it will run rich with baffles in for normal use.

A remap retains the ECU adaptability so IMO, that alone makes it the best option. For who can't attend, Geoff can offer one of his generic maps. A rolling road tune will give a better honed result but only by a few bhp.

 

[comberjohn]

As bendy says, the PCV is fixed mapping. However, it does work well. I probably would have kept mine if it hadn't been for the problems waterproofing the connectors.
Where I will disagree, is that the re map is the only option that utilises the adaptability of the standard ECU.
Sorry, bendy. But as your experience does not include having a bike with a re map or AF XiED units, only your opinion on having a PCV has any validity.
As with a re map, the ECU continues to adapt to the variables as they happen. The AF XiED units are simply altering the input from the O2 sensors which makes it alter the AF ratio by up to 8%. The amount can be quickly adjusted by the owner.
And, no, it's nothing like using a booster plug which is leaned out by the very same ECU.
Maybe, just maybe you could coax a couple of additional bhp by putting a bike with AF XiED units on a dyno and tweaking the adjusters. The adjusters go from 1 which is stock, to 11 which is the full 8%.
But if what I'm led to believe by Roger, the developer, it takes a little time for the ECU to alter the ratios after moving the adjusters. Maybe a tank or so of fuel.
I'm currently running mine on number 8 and it's running just perfectly. Much like the description of how it would run after a hilltop re map, actually.
I did consider sending my ECU over for a re map without the dyno run but was disappointed that the cost would be the same at £350. As what hilltop actually does to the ECU is still a bit of a mystery, it makes the sceptical side of me think the dyno run is a bit of window dressing? That's me banned for heresy!
I've over 3000 miles on my AF XiED units and they are just great.
Check out my thread to see my updates on how they're working out.
http://http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php/418381-Standard-vs-PCV-vs-AF-XIED

 

[Paul C.]

Number 7 for me on my AF XiED units
Money well spent ��
1200 GSA tc

 

[Mistacat]

As bendy says, the PCV is fixed mapping. However, it does work well. I probably would have kept mine if it hadn't been for the problems waterproofing the connectors.
Where I will disagree, is that the re map is the only option that utilises the adaptability of the standard ECU.
Sorry, bendy. But as your experience does not include having a bike with a re map or AF XiED units, only your opinion on having a PCV has any validity.
As with a re map, the ECU continues to adapt to the variables as they happen. The AF XiED units are simply altering the input from the O2 sensors which makes it alter the AF ratio by up to 8%. The amount can be quickly adjusted by the owner.
And, no, it's nothing like using a booster plug which is leaned out by the very same ECU.
Maybe, just maybe you could coax a couple of additional bhp by putting a bike with AF XiED units on a dyno and tweaking the adjusters. The adjusters go from 1 which is stock, to 11 which is the full 8%.
But if what I'm led to believe by Roger, the developer, it takes a little time for the ECU to alter the ratios after moving the adjusters. Maybe a tank or so of fuel.
I'm currently running mine on number 8 and it's running just perfectly. Much like the description of how it would run after a hilltop re map, actually.
I did consider sending my ECU over for a re map without the dyno run but was disappointed that the cost would be the same at £350. As what hilltop actually does to the ECU is still a bit of a mystery, it makes the sceptical side of me think the dyno run is a bit of window dressing? That's me banned for heresy!
I've over 3000 miles on my AF XiED units and they are just great.
Check out my thread to see my updates on how they're working out.
http://http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php/418381-Standard-vs-PCV-vs-AF-XIED

Not sure about the remap Mystery, ?? Geoff will explain it to you as he did to me. ( He creates another partition in the memory and loads his map to it then alters the BIOS to run from his map). I like to stick with the complete BMW management system and tweak it with the AF-XIED`s which I have now used for over 25000 miles on setting 7.
And yes I have also spent many hours data logging a PCV on a 1200GS but could never get it to remain stable and consistent.

 

[comberjohn]

Apologies to Geoff. Just remembered Roger getting lambasted by the hilltop mafia a while ago for being curious about what was done.