I would seriously consider starting to link your currency somehow with the Norwegian krone.
RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN !
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I would seriously consider starting to link your currency somehow with the Norwegian krone.
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A total of 18,025 members voted in favour of remaining neutral, 5775 voted in favour of supporting independence while zero votes were cast in favour of backing the no campaign.
A total of 18,025 members voted in favour of remaining neutral, 5775 voted in favour of supporting independence while zero votes were cast in favour of backing the no campaign.
So you want your share of the £32 BILLION debt that Network Rail has just handed over to the government??
I want what every true Scotsman would want and that is to live in an independent nation governed by a government chosen by my peers. I don't want to be ruled by a foreign power with only it's best interest in mind.
I also believe that all the liabilities and assets should be shared equally and that after the yes vote this will happen through negotiation between both governments.
Have a look at the video below, I think it will give you a better understanding of how Scotland's finances work now and how they will work after the yes vote.
All the facts come from the Westminster government and are included in GERS.
http://www.labourforindy.com/economic_argument_for_yes
And one Tory MPs vision on Scotland after a no vote
http://munguinsrepublic.blogspot.co.uk
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So anybody who votes No is not a true Scotsman? After independence what is to happen to all us non believers? Will we be marched off to the gulag?
I have said it before and will repeat it once more just so you have something to report to party HQ. I love Scotland and have absolutely no doubt that it would be able to function as an independent nation if it were able to rely on the co-operation of the remainder of the UK in fiscal matters including entering into a currency union. The fact remains however that the Scottish electorate would certainly return a socialist government to power either SNP or Labour or more likely a coalition of both. The disastrous policies on taxation, borrowing and spending that would follow along with the expansion of the public sector would make the required currency union so risky for the remainder of the UK that no party that would back such a union could remain in power in the rest of the UK.
It is not an independent Scotland I will be voting to reject. It is an Independent Socialist Scotland that I will be voting to reject. If the price of remaining out of the clutches of those that have a vision of communist style system of state control is that I have to start paying for my prescriptions again and students have to start paying for their media studies courses then so be it.
So less of the true Scotsman crap please. Leave that for what I wear under my kilt at weddings.
What a load of ill-informed crap, an independent socialist Scotland. Who are the socialists that will be running Scotland, the SNP have said all along that they will stand down after Scotland gains independence.
Boo, did you get a fright, you must have, you being scared of your own shadow and all those reds under your bed.
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Do you really believe that any MSP who is in the parliament if the independence vote is won will voluntarily stand down? Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon are just like all the rest - their egos will not allow it.
Unfortunately I can see a lot more of these Scot vs Scot arguments over the next 7 months, which could cause a lot of bitterness between folk. I hope I'm wrong.
That the SNParty will stand down after Scotland gains independence is in their constitution, the MSPs in question could do whatever they like after that.
Judging by some of the comments on this read the bitterness has already started.
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So they must be planning a new party in secret already then? Otherwise there will be such a void that the country would not be able to function, as it is run at the moment by the SNP.
It was also in their constitution that they would leave NATO, but that conveniently got turned round when required.
Politicians - can't trust any of them.
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Toddy, putting a big picture there doesn't make the message any different. Quite rightly (in my opinion), a union has democratically decided against supporting any political viewpoint. 18025 members voted against any kind of political message - that is over 75% of them. You can put any kind of slant on it, and I agree that the figures look more impressive for the Yes campaign than the No campaign, but the PCS decided not to take any kind of political stance, which is the only message to come out of that debate.
Even were they to do that, the demographic in Scotland will ensure forever a socialist party, whether SNP or labour, in power with an urban base. Disaster for the other 90% of Scotland.
If I was Scottish I think id be very very worried about where all this is taking me and my country.
As it is I'm English so I'll watch it all unfold with interest over the next six months, and I think a little sadness as well........
As it is I'm English so I'll watch it all unfold with interest over the next six months, and I think a little sadness as well........
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i think most sensible people realise that voting yes will lead to one almighty cluster fuck.we have no sensible fiscal policies,leadership let alone one solid plan for Scotland's future & yet wee eck plays his flute & all the idiots blindly dance to his tune.how can anyone vote for something without all the facts or information required to do so? you have to ask yourself why the white sheet has no such information except what could be or will be,yeh i might win the lottery next week,oh shit i never, well tough shit your stuck with it now & you’ve paid your dues.
Just tell me who will run the country??we haven’t any group of people who have an ounce of common sense or trust,it’s a farce & yet it seems, yep lets be independent & we’ll sort it out later.we look like arseholes to the rest of europe & to be honest we couldn’t find our own if we tried because our heads are stuck up it.
Just tell me who will run the country??we haven’t any group of people who have an ounce of common sense or trust,it’s a farce & yet it seems, yep lets be independent & we’ll sort it out later.we look like arseholes to the rest of europe & to be honest we couldn’t find our own if we tried because our heads are stuck up it.
I agree, and the really daft thing is that we are an Island nation together before we're anything else. Sure you could argue Westminster twats this and that
, but hey we feel the same and I'm in Manchester!! 
It's fucking daft.
When push comes to shove who is Scotland's closest allies, and who is England's ?
Past wars fought side my side, regiment by regiment. Does this count for fuck all ?
We're glued together in the form of the British Isles, we owe it too good sense to carry on.
Plus I like the look of the union flag!
Only losers if we split, but I think Scotland will be the biggest losers. I'm not just saying that from an English
point of view, its what I believe. I also believe most English folk are very fond of Scotland, hell my mate married one can you believe that!?
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Your going to be so unhappy being a part of the UK when you lose the vote, what are you going to do and where will you move to?
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I don't think Toddy is a looney. He is misguided and has fallen for the SNP propaganda. He accepts that it is like Bannockburn all over again only this time the enemy are the evil Tories who want to plunder or nation's wealth and enslave us. Slippery Eck has run a very slick campaign to keep the focus on sentiment and steer clear of facts. Notice how the two posters are presented above. The status quo gives us the highest petrol prices in Europe. There is no mention on the other poster of anything being done to address this like cutting fuel duty. So why mention it in the first poster? The first poster mentions we have the lowest state pension in Europe but the other poster only says an independent Scotland will protect the elderly. No mention of increasing the pension because they know they will not be able to afford to do this but the way the propaganda is presented the reader sees the first list and assumes the message that an independent Scotland will reverse the items on the list because some of the items on the second list do promise to directly tackle items on the first like scrapping nuclear weapons.
Notice the first list promises a Tory government that Scotland did not vote for even though at the moment the labour party are ahead in the polls. Saying that voting No might bring a labour government that Scotland did vote for ruins the message even though this looks like the most likely outcome. I am sure Toddy is aware of these facts when he stops to think about it but he feels he is being disloyal to his country by considering that he is being invited to take a considerable gamble with the future of his country and this might just end up another Flodden rather than Bannockburn. The one trait Scots value above others is courage and many Yes voters see their decision as courageous. There is a fine line between courage and foolhardiness and this no doubt has contributed over the years to Scots being viewed as cannon fodder in service of the crown. The yes voters really need to ask themselves if the facts add up to the vision that is being presented to them or is their courageous patriotism leaving them open to ending up as political cannon fodder.
Notice the first list promises a Tory government that Scotland did not vote for even though at the moment the labour party are ahead in the polls. Saying that voting No might bring a labour government that Scotland did vote for ruins the message even though this looks like the most likely outcome. I am sure Toddy is aware of these facts when he stops to think about it but he feels he is being disloyal to his country by considering that he is being invited to take a considerable gamble with the future of his country and this might just end up another Flodden rather than Bannockburn. The one trait Scots value above others is courage and many Yes voters see their decision as courageous. There is a fine line between courage and foolhardiness and this no doubt has contributed over the years to Scots being viewed as cannon fodder in service of the crown. The yes voters really need to ask themselves if the facts add up to the vision that is being presented to them or is their courageous patriotism leaving them open to ending up as political cannon fodder.
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