Hilltop Results on the LC

Sgt Bilco said:
Jesus H Christ, another 15 pages of utter bollox because 1 person is like a dog with a bone is basically trying to discredit someone because he doesn't believe it works. Then anyone who has some understanding of what's going on chips in with a load of technical jargon which means precisely diddly squat to most people.

The point is with the remap is it works, plain and simple, no if's and no but's. I've not met one person who has had it done who didn't think there was a huge improvement and worth the money. I've ridden a few Hilltop bikes and think it's a brilliant upgrade.

Engineer, do us all a favour and sit down in a room with Geoff and talk to him instead of doing all the questioning here. Then, and only then, come back and let us know whether you believe him or not.

Either that or just let it go and get on with you life.
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That's not correct - I didn't say that it doesn't work and I am not trying to discredit anyone just trying to get at the facts and it appears that two people at least have been told two different things.

Time for a coffee :)
 
Coffee break over and no news - pooh!

Moderator Bilco or whatever I think that you should close this thread.
 
Thanks to Mistacat for answering my Q and confirming that Geoff said that he disregards the O2 sensors so the bike only runs in open loop. But Geoff has told a number of others that O2 sensors are still used, so closed loop is still used at throttle openings up to 50/60% or so. I know the answer is always “phone Geoff” but given that people on the forum have phoned or spoken to him directly and this has lead again to contradictions and confusion amongst members on the forum (again in this thread), then only Geoff can tell us whether the O2 sensors are used or not and it would be helpful if he did this in writing (so directly from the horse's mouth). So that each of us doesn't come back with a different answer every time!!!!
 
backstreet hero said:
Thanks to Mistacat for answering my Q and confirming that Geoff said that he disregards the O2 sensors so the bike only runs in open loop. But Geoff has told a number of others that O2 sensors are still used, so closed loop is still used at throttle openings up to 50/60% or so. I know the answer is always “phone Geoff” but given that people on the forum have phoned or spoken to him directly and this has lead again to contradictions and confusion amongst members on the forum (again in this thread), then only Geoff can tell us whether the O2 sensors are used or not and it would be helpful if he did this in writing (so directly from the horse's mouth). So that each of us doesn't come back with a different answer every time!!!!
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You are "Technician' and I claim my £5 :)

Andres
 
backstreet hero said:
Thanks to Mistacat for answering my Q and confirming that Geoff said that he disregards the O2 sensors so the bike only runs in open loop. But Geoff has told a number of others that O2 sensors are still used, so closed loop is still used at throttle openings up to 50/60% or so. I know the answer is always “phone Geoff” but given that people on the forum have phoned or spoken to him directly and this has lead again to contradictions and confusion amongst members on the forum (again in this thread), then only Geoff can tell us whether the O2 sensors are used or not and it would be helpful if he did this in writing (so directly from the horse's mouth). So that each of us doesn't come back with a different answer every time!!!!
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They think you are me - nice to know that I am not a lone voice:) PS the technician thing is because they are jealous of my engineering knowledge :)
 
Looks like we are starting to get somewhere at last - hurrah!
 
Outtomunch said:
My god, you're talking to yourself on line now, one couldn't make it up :D

Andres
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I am sure that Paul BHT or whatever his name is can show that we are not one and the same somehow.
 
Sorry to disappoint but I am not Engineer (although I am sure you won't believe me). I have no idea who is who on this forum but you did confuse me a bit on your responses...... From reading other posts (and as I've posted before) there is clearly confusion and this latest thread has not helped anything!! And if you think I am Engineer, then maybe you should have a look at a few other threads as having a conversation with yourself does seem to be quite possible on here!!!
 
Engineer - sorry I don't know how we could prove we are not one and the same.....Perhaps that is something a Moderator would be able to validate and I would be happy for him to do so????
 
Is this something that does happen on here? Does the same person set themselves up as more than one poster? It might explain some of the threads and the repetition of info and sounding like one is talking on behalf of someone else? Time for dinner!! Sprouts tonight......
 
Engineer said:
They think you are me - nice to know that I am not a lone voice:) PS the technician thing is because they are jealous of my engineering knowledge :)
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:jes

Making your moniker "Engineer" says so much - mostly aspirational......... :blast

Fcuking software "engineer"......... that's a made-up term to make you technicians feel good, and you grasped it with both hands... ........

Al :rolleyes:
 
Here is my third posting on this thread to try and explain tuning

http://www.enginebasics.com/EFI Tuning/Closed Loop o2.html

Many years ago I build a race car that was later bought to race in thec German DTM

There is just so much crap posted in this thread

I am surprised no one has posted that the twin cam is not a true twin cam. - but there you go that is another story
 
karlp said:
Here is my third posting on this thread to try and explain tuning

http://www.enginebasics.com/EFI Tuning/Closed Loop o2.html

Many years ago I build a race car that was later bought to race in thec German DTM

There is just so much crap posted in this thread

I am surprised no one has posted that the twin cam is not a true twin cam. - but there you go that is another story
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Yep there is - anyway I think that the re-mappers go down the open loop path cos it's simpler and then lob in loads of fuel and ignore the increase in emissions because the 3-way cat essentially becomes useless and eventually poisoned without the oxygen sensor feedback. I am sure that it feels great just like an old carb fed engine and this is why people love the bike after the re-map.
 
The twin cam is a twin cam per cylinder,
Just not conventional in its design with an inlet and exhaust on each cam preventing any timing alterations from stock, without fitting re profiled/ phased cams,
Nice article on open / closed loop,
Roamer
 
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