Lumpy engine

dredgetall

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Can anyone help.
I am the owner of a GS1150 that has just been serviced by vines of Guildford i have complained that when holding the bike at 30 / 40 mph the engine has a lumpy feel making the ride very unpleasent. Vines say that the bike is all ok and this will sometimes happen because they run so lean but if I open the throttle the bike pulls well but then back to cruise and back comes the lumpy ride. Any advise before I return it to vines.
 
Do a search for 'surge' or 'surging' and all will become clear.

It can usually be eliminated by careful setup of all of the variables.
 
Take it back, you have paid them, get them to do it right, be assertive, if no luck call BMW they can and will nudge the dealers.
 
Was it surging before going into vines? if yes then:

Get hold of Steptoe off here if they aren't interested etc.

He sorted my surging by recalibrating the throttle bodies/tappets and fueling.
And he's in your neck of the woods too.:thumb2
 
Can anyone help.
I am the owner of a GS1150 that has just been serviced by vines of Guildford i have complained that when holding the bike at 30 / 40 mph the engine has a lumpy feel making the ride very unpleasent. Vines say that the bike is all ok and this will sometimes happen because they run so lean but if I open the throttle the bike pulls well but then back to cruise and back comes the lumpy ride. Any advise before I return it to vines.

Which gears and RPM are you using at these speeds? I presume it's no different to your previous experience with this bike.

Also, what was serviced?
 
Do a search for 'surge' or 'surging' and all will become clear.

It can usually be eliminated by careful setup of all of the variables.

:thumb
Valve clearance
Rocker end float
Throttle balance
TPS ( try setting to .371, a bit richer)

I bet a full BMW service doesn't check all that.
 
Is it a twin spark engine ?.

Could be a failing coil cap.
 
Is it a twin spark engine ?.

Could be a failing coil cap.

It is a 2002 model with only 8000m the bike has been stored due to ill health of the last owner. I purchased the bike from the last owner and delivered it directly to Vines whom I have always held in the highest regard so before I take the bike back I wanted to be pre armed with as much info as possible. I am a rider not a fixer so I welcome all comments. Apart from this surging Its a new bike straight out of the showroom, lucky boy.
 
+1 on the above:

- TPS set;
- Valve clearence set;
- TB sync.

If done correctly, it should run just fine ;)

Dan.
 
It is a 2002 model with only 8000m the bike has been stored due to ill health of the last owner. I purchased the bike from the last owner and delivered it directly to Vines whom I have always held in the highest regard so before I take the bike back I wanted to be pre armed with as much info as possible. I am a rider not a fixer so I welcome all comments. Apart from this surging Its a new bike straight out of the showroom, lucky boy.


Vines are rubbish, would not trust them to tell you the time of day.
 
Vines are rubbish, would not trust them to tell you the time of day.

Vines are collecting the bike this Friday 13th watch this space

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It is a 2002 model with only 8000m the bike has been stored due to ill health of the last owner. I purchased the bike from the last owner and delivered it directly to Vines whom I have always held in the highest regard so before I take the bike back I wanted to be pre armed with as much info as possible. I am a rider not a fixer so I welcome all comments. Apart from this surging Its a new bike straight out of the showroom, lucky boy.
Hmmmm Vines.

Fkin useless.
 
Hmmmm Vines.

Fkin useless.

Just make sure you don't pay them another penny for the pleasure of them doing their job correctly! They will make some BS excuse up for what the problem was/is and try to lighten your wallet, I'm betting they either cocked it up properly or forgot to put the plug back on the bottom of the throttle body. :blast

Any problems, take it away and get it looked at. I'll look with the right gauges etc (Slough/Heathrow) as I'm sure any other GS'er will! :thumb2

Here's a little history of Vines as they are the closest to lots of us on 'Gabfesters'... We've come close to having a group ride to them on a spring bank holiday just to warn people how crap they are!

Now we take great pleasure in using them for test rides only, I'd never buy a bike from them and avoid if possible passing any money to them in any way, though I'll drink their coffee!:D

Our 'opinion' is that they are guilty of 'sharp' practise if they can renege on verbal agreements they will and often their work is shoddy, bordering on incompetent.

R850:

Went in for a problem cutting out in the wet, was told it's the hall effect and about £400 lighter it stopped in the first bit of rain, then it was the flywheel effecting the hall effect, so told he needed a new flywheel and clutch. This time he said he'd pay after it had been ridden in the rain.....did not work so then they said it was the ECU.....nope. At this point they insisted that he pay the best part of £2500 for the works carried out (on top of the £400 for the hall effect), at this point we had a little group ride to Vines and asked to look at the bike.

5 mins later with an old FLASH spray bottle filled with water and an electrical meter it was running fine once the simple task of looking at the side-stand switch and bypassing it....Vines withdrew the invoice but refused to refund the £400 or provide the old Hall effect.

R1100RT and F800:

The R1100RT went for a full service, told it needed new rear pads....done... asked if he wanted an MOT at £60.....er no! Bike was taken from Vines and used for 1 week before being taken for it's MOT locally (£20) where it failed for excessive wear to the rear pads, found to be the old pads still in!

On trade in the F800 was taken for service (no option for warranty) to Vines (think he'd learn not to now!), this was not the first service but the proper annual service. Being now a little more careful of Vines the oil filter was marked. The bike came back with the same filter and the ECU was still asking for a service! Other bits were done so it had not just wholly slipped through the net.

K1300GT

Brought brand new (when I dabbled with speed and had a K1200GT for a while), I fitted a set of crash bobbins and as drilling a new fairing brings you out in a cold sweat, Rider asked Vines how much to fit them at the first short inspection. Vines supplied and fitted the bungs, but when the bike was picked up they were terrible, panels were shifted and 'caught' on the bungs but Vines refused to do anything. He took it home where we went to strip it down and sort it out (needed to open the holes up, looks poor as they are now oval) to get the panels to fit.

Riding back there was a rattle, when we got it home there were 4 of the fairing screws in the glove box!

F800R:

Brought from Vines as a one owner who fancied a change....Later found to be 2 owners the first as a loan/test bike. Being an early silver engined F800 it sounded like a bag of spanners being kicked down the stairs....But this one was REALLY bad....

He took it back to Vines, who said it was fine and refused to even inspect it.

Took it to North Oxon BMW who said they all sound a bit rough, but that there was an issue with some. BMW undertook to rebuild the top end of the engine and it is now much better.

Grant (of this parish) R1200GS:

He sold me his 1150, I said I'd drop him to Vines to collect his 1200 brought and paid for, (seen the sign on it saying "Please do not sit on this bike it is sold").... Arrived at Vines on a sunny Saturday to be told that they had sold his bike!

Offered another colour in 'a week or so', refused refund and sorted a bike a few days later.

They did the first inspection (chucked in as a freebie) but then tried to charge for it, at this point they were told where to go...

Shopping around for a first service on his new 1200 a year later, Vines were £60 more than North Oxon or Barnstormers. Vines were told this when they cold called to see if he'd book it in with them and said they would match the price AND they could collect/deliver the bike. This was convenient so booked in....

Yes they did match the price, but then charged £95 plus VAT for the collection/delivery!
 
Bloody hell that is a trail of shite. Thank feck I've got Balderston and not Vines as a local.
I'd take it to Steptoe end of.
 
Bloody hell that is a trail of shite. Thank feck I've got Balderston and not Vines as a local.
I'd take it to Steptoe end of.

Yup, I'd rather not post that lot, but I know what underhanded treatment they are capable of. I can see Dredgetall getting a hefty bill if he's not very firm with them.:tears

Having just looked on Google, he's only 12 miles from Steptoe who does this for a living....

I'm happy to have a look, but I'm about 40 miles from Redhill
 
Hows this for sharp practise then. Borrow an r1200gs from vines. Ask if they are gonna inspect it before I ride it away. they say no. While on test ride notice some dick previously has dropped it and damaged cam cover. Point it out to them and they say ah that must have been you. wanted my credit card details so they could charge me 145 quid for a new cam cover. I told em to fuck off, but they were not happy with that. Manager at the time (Duncan Bell (end) has since refused to allow me a test ride and has even passed on his shitty comments to the car department. I know this as the car sales guys told me duncan bell had told them not to let me test drive a car from them as well as a bike. Oh and then theres the fcukup with fitting my screen, but hey you get the picture I think........


Never ever got an apology about the damage to the bike. they insisted it was done by me. If that was the case why would I point it out to them.


Stupid cnuts.



Mark
 
Hows this for sharp practise then. Borrow an r1200gs from vines. Ask if they are gonna inspect it before I ride it away. they say no. While on test ride notice some dick previously has dropped it and damaged cam cover. Point it out to them and they say ah that must have been you. wanted my credit card details so they could charge me 145 quid for a new cam cover. I told em to fuck off, but they were not happy with that. Manager at the time (Duncan Bell (end) has since refused to allow me a test ride and has even passed on his shitty comments to the car department. I know this as the car sales guys told me duncan bell had told them not to let me test drive a car from them as well as a bike. Oh and then theres the fcukup with fitting my screen, but hey you get the picture I think........


Never ever got an apology about the damage to the bike. they insisted it was done by me. If that was the case why would I point it out to them.


Stupid cnuts.



Mark

You must be just round the corner from Adam (who won't have a BMW because of Vines!), you should come down the pub on a Thursday :beer:
 
You must be just round the corner from Adam (who won't have a BMW because of Vines!), you should come down the pub on a Thursday :beer:
Please excuse me for being thick,but 2 questions:
1. Who is Adam???
2. May I enquire as to where you think I am??


Always happy to meet new people, but due to work I tend not to drink.

Looking forward to a reply.......
 


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